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Message: <blockquote data-quote="moritheil" data-source="post: 2202549" data-attributes="member: 30610">The false ears and makeup are applied at the same time.  They are both elements of the "disguise kit" which is used.In my reading, you actually asserted that you could do it, and then you showed the ridiculousness that it leads to. I understand your intent was to do the opposite, but that's not how it reads to me.Let me explain the reasoning behind "the other camp" of interpretation as best I can.Essentially, when you Alter Self, you make a complete disguise. When you Disguise Self, you are making a new, complete disguise. You do not create "a partial disguise" and then fill in the gaps with your subsequent spells; rather, each spell represents an attempt to make a complete disguise. Now, if you CAN stack those two, what does it mean?  That is the situation that assumes an incomplete disguise is created when you cast the first spell, that is then filled in or added to by subsequent disguise magics.If you cannot stack those two, then what does that lead to? That leads to the ruling that the first time you make the disguise, you make one disguise, and the second time, you make another disguise. For example, using Alter Self, an elf attempts to appear as a human man. With the second spell cast, Disguise Self, that same elf is also attempting to appear as a human man, but the details of the actual implementation vary. It is not "the same disguise." If I wear one wig, then trade it for another, the second wig may be a more lifelike one, or it may be a less lifelike one. All in all, I might have better odds with a wig made by a more skilled wig-maker, but each time I remove a wig and put another one on I still run the slight chance of putting a wig on crooked. You are clearly assuming, above, that different disguise checks lead to modifications on the exact same disguise.  Unless you use English in a different way than I am accustomed to reading.</blockquote>

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