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<blockquote data-quote="mcgeedis" data-source="post: 3024670" data-attributes="member: 41995">I've been trying to make a changeling rogue for an upcoming campaign that my group is going to start.&nbsp; I want to make her more of a skill based/spy character rather than a combat oriented figure.&nbsp; Hence, I have decided to start off with the Changeling Rogue Racial Substitution character.&nbsp; Basically, I get additional skill points at first, third and 5th levels (10 + INT).&nbsp; I also get a couple of bonuses to Gather Info, Knowledge skills, as well as take 10 in Bluff, Diplomacy, Disguise, etc...&nbsp; The downfall is that I have to give up Trapfinding.The problem that I am having is that I am working from a 28 point buy system.&nbsp; The best ability points I could work out were STR 8, DEX 16, CON 12, INT 14, WIS 10, CHA 14.&nbsp; With this set-up, I would essentially be useless in combat.&nbsp; I also found out that the majority of the enemies that we would be facing are undead (sneak attack is useless!).&nbsp; I have been toying with the idea of using the Rogue Variant from Unearthed Arcana where I substitute Fighter Feat progression in lieu of sneak attack.&nbsp; But even then, would those fighter feats do a whole heck of alot for me with a Strength of 8?&nbsp; Are there any feats out there that will allow me to sneak attack undead?&nbsp; I know of a prestige class (Skullclan Hunter) and a cleric spell (Gravestrike), but that's all I have.I need help in making this the best spy type character that I can be.&nbsp; Any advice or help would greatly be appreciated!</blockquote>

[QUOTE="mcgeedis, post: 3024670, member: 41995"] I've been trying to make a changeling rogue for an upcoming campaign that my group is going to start. I want to make her more of a skill based/spy character rather than a combat oriented figure. Hence, I have decided to start off with the Changeling Rogue Racial Substitution character. Basically, I get additional skill points at first, third and 5th levels (10 + INT). I also get a couple of bonuses to Gather Info, Knowledge skills, as well as take 10 in Bluff, Diplomacy, Disguise, etc... The downfall is that I have to give up Trapfinding. The problem that I am having is that I am working from a 28 point buy system. The best ability points I could work out were STR 8, DEX 16, CON 12, INT 14, WIS 10, CHA 14. With this set-up, I would essentially be useless in combat. I also found out that the majority of the enemies that we would be facing are undead (sneak attack is useless!). I have been toying with the idea of using the Rogue Variant from Unearthed Arcana where I substitute Fighter Feat progression in lieu of sneak attack. But even then, would those fighter feats do a whole heck of alot for me with a Strength of 8? Are there any feats out there that will allow me to sneak attack undead? I know of a prestige class (Skullclan Hunter) and a cleric spell (Gravestrike), but that's all I have. I need help in making this the best spy type character that I can be. Any advice or help would greatly be appreciated! [/QUOTE]

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