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<blockquote data-quote="kerbarian" data-source="post: 3031313" data-attributes="member: 40393">If you're going for a non-combat build, then yes, you'll be weak in combat.&nbsp; You could make up for some of it by taking weapon finesse and relying on sneak attack damage.&nbsp; Spiked chain is a great weapon to use with finesse, but it requires yet another feat for proficiency.&nbsp; If you're high enough level to afford it, a ring of blinking helps out in lots of ways -- sneak attack damage on every attack (though with a 20% miss chance), great defensive benefits, and you can use it to step through walls and such.As for dealing with the undead -- get the party cleric to cast imbue with spell ability on you and have him grant 2x grave strike + 1x extended grave strike (if possible).&nbsp; That's four rounds of sneak attacking undead, if the cleric can spare the 4th-level spell slot for it.Finally, if you're already planning on giving up trapfinding, and you're not expecting to get much utility out of sneak attack, why not go with bard or even ranger instead?&nbsp; Both can sneak around just as well as rogues and get almost as many skill points.&nbsp; Bard sounds like a better fit thematically, and you could get all kinds of spells that would help with spying, like disguise self, invisibility, charm person, silent/minor image, sleep, silence, etc.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="kerbarian, post: 3031313, member: 40393"] If you're going for a non-combat build, then yes, you'll be weak in combat. You could make up for some of it by taking weapon finesse and relying on sneak attack damage. Spiked chain is a great weapon to use with finesse, but it requires yet another feat for proficiency. If you're high enough level to afford it, a ring of blinking helps out in lots of ways -- sneak attack damage on every attack (though with a 20% miss chance), great defensive benefits, and you can use it to step through walls and such. As for dealing with the undead -- get the party cleric to cast imbue with spell ability on you and have him grant 2x grave strike + 1x extended grave strike (if possible). That's four rounds of sneak attacking undead, if the cleric can spare the 4th-level spell slot for it. Finally, if you're already planning on giving up trapfinding, and you're not expecting to get much utility out of sneak attack, why not go with bard or even ranger instead? Both can sneak around just as well as rogues and get almost as many skill points. Bard sounds like a better fit thematically, and you could get all kinds of spells that would help with spying, like disguise self, invisibility, charm person, silent/minor image, sleep, silence, etc. [/QUOTE]

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