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<blockquote data-quote="CovertOps" data-source="post: 5259219" data-attributes="member: 65152">Changeling Trick grants you an ability.&nbsp; The Bluff skill grants you an ability.&nbsp; To say that use of one ability also uses up the other ability would be a DM levied nerf.&nbsp; You clearly have two ways per encounter to be granted combat advantage.Now as to how they work together.&nbsp; Skilled Feint gives you a +2 bonus to your Bluff skill, but this bonus is clearly tied to the ability granted by the Bluff skill &quot;Feint&quot;.It also gives you an extra die of sneak attack damage, but this is only tied to &quot;when you make a bluff check to cause an enemy to grant combat advantage&quot;.&nbsp; Since Feint and Changeling Trick both &quot;make a Bluff check to cause an enemy to grant combat advantage to you&quot;&nbsp; then this requirement is met and you can use this part of the feat with either ability.&nbsp; Really though I thought the Feint should have been a minor action because as is it's pretty useless having to give up an attack just to get CA.&nbsp; The once per encounter was limit enough, plus it gives Rogues something to do with their minor action.&nbsp; Either that or leave it as a standard and make it a Rogue class feature that they can use Feint as a minor action so you're not giving it to everyone.&nbsp; It would also be an interesting substitute as a replacement for +1 Rogues get with daggers so you could have a minor action Feint once per encounter as a minor action OR +1 with daggers.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="CovertOps, post: 5259219, member: 65152"] Changeling Trick grants you an ability. The Bluff skill grants you an ability. To say that use of one ability also uses up the other ability would be a DM levied nerf. You clearly have two ways per encounter to be granted combat advantage. Now as to how they work together. Skilled Feint gives you a +2 bonus to your Bluff skill, but this bonus is clearly tied to the ability granted by the Bluff skill "Feint". It also gives you an extra die of sneak attack damage, but this is only tied to "when you make a bluff check to cause an enemy to grant combat advantage". Since Feint and Changeling Trick both "make a Bluff check to cause an enemy to grant combat advantage to you" then this requirement is met and you can use this part of the feat with either ability. Really though I thought the Feint should have been a minor action because as is it's pretty useless having to give up an attack just to get CA. The once per encounter was limit enough, plus it gives Rogues something to do with their minor action. Either that or leave it as a standard and make it a Rogue class feature that they can use Feint as a minor action so you're not giving it to everyone. It would also be an interesting substitute as a replacement for +1 Rogues get with daggers so you could have a minor action Feint once per encounter as a minor action OR +1 with daggers. [/QUOTE]

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