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<blockquote data-quote="Ratskinner" data-source="post: 6013675" data-attributes="member: 6688937">I don't doubt there were holdouts at all. And the magnitude of any individual's reaction to any edition change isn't relevant to my thinking either (there's always a nutter somewhere..) Its the scale of the reaction to 4e that simply amazes me. I used to be in contact with dozens, if not hundreds of gamers through my campus club and conventions. After the 2e and 3e transitions, hardly a peep. I can't even recall a single incident of meeting a 2e resister in person. Even the 2e holdouts I knew (and there weren't that many) were hanging on mostly to finish some grand campaign and squeeze use out of their books. More &quot;Meh, I've got all this stuff already.&quot; than &quot;OMG! That's not D&amp;D!&quot;*Nowadays, though, it seems like if you D&amp;D, then you've got some strong opinion on 4e. Even gamers I know who don't visit the forums or game online have intense feelings about 4e that amaze me. Something (maybe several somethings?) about 4e or its transition turned a lot of people off (and kept them off) in a way that previous transitions didn't. Whether that's my &quot;time to get bored with it&quot; theory or something else, I dunno. Personally, I find it increasingly baffling the more I think about it.*I did know one group that thought that removing the mild Algebra requirements of THAC0 would allow the &quot;riffraff&quot; in. I didn't understand their objections since they were very exclusive and would basically only play within their little clique, regardless of THAC0 or not. ::shrug::</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Ratskinner, post: 6013675, member: 6688937"] I don't doubt there were holdouts at all. And the magnitude of any individual's reaction to any edition change isn't relevant to my thinking either (there's always a nutter somewhere..) Its the [I]scale [/I]of the reaction to 4e that simply amazes me. I used to be in contact with dozens, if not hundreds of gamers through my campus club and conventions. After the 2e and 3e transitions, hardly a peep. I can't even recall a single incident of meeting a 2e resister in person. Even the 2e holdouts I knew (and there weren't that many) were hanging on mostly to finish some grand campaign and squeeze use out of their books. More "Meh, I've got all this stuff already." than "OMG! That's not D&D!"* Nowadays, though, it seems like if you D&D, then you've got some strong opinion on 4e. Even gamers I know who don't visit the forums or game online have intense feelings about 4e that amaze me. [I]Something[/I] (maybe several somethings?) about 4e or its transition turned a lot of people off (and kept them off) in a way that previous transitions didn't. Whether that's my "time to get bored with it" theory or something else, I dunno. Personally, I find it increasingly baffling the more I think about it. *I did know one group that thought that removing the mild Algebra requirements of THAC0 would allow the "riffraff" in. I didn't understand their objections since they were very exclusive and would basically only play within their little clique, regardless of THAC0 or not. ::shrug:: [/QUOTE]

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