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<blockquote data-quote="Imaro" data-source="post: 6014051" data-attributes="member: 48965">My point is moreso that the rules in 4e are that when improvising the DC for a challenge, one uses the party level (at least when refering to the DMG 1) as the basis. Now I get that once a DC has been set (whether by you improvising or by the cases listed in the DMG) it doesn't change... but that's after it's been set. The rules in DMG 1 pre-suppose one will encounter challenges appropriate to party level and thus those rules use class level as their basis and are, IMO, flawed. I actually feel that D'karr's fix is exactly what should have been used as the basis from the beginning... encounter level. It makes much more sense and doesn't lead to weird or inconsistent situations where the party runs into something that's not an appropriate challenge.&nbsp;My secondary point was that instead of admitting these rules were flawed, 4e fans instead blamed those who used them, just as the book instructed them too when, again IMO, the rules themselves were flawed and should have had encounter level as the basis all along.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Imaro, post: 6014051, member: 48965"] My point is moreso that the rules in 4e are that when improvising the DC for a challenge, one uses the party level (at least when refering to the DMG 1) as the basis. Now I get that once a DC has been set (whether by you improvising or by the cases listed in the DMG) it doesn't change... but that's after it's been set. The rules in DMG 1 pre-suppose one will encounter challenges appropriate to party level and thus those rules use class level as their basis and are, IMO, flawed. I actually feel that D'karr's fix is exactly what should have been used as the basis from the beginning... encounter level. It makes much more sense and doesn't lead to weird or inconsistent situations where the party runs into something that's not an appropriate challenge. My secondary point was that instead of admitting these rules were flawed, 4e fans instead blamed those who used them, just as the book instructed them too when, again IMO, the rules themselves were flawed and should have had encounter level as the basis all along. [/QUOTE]

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