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<blockquote data-quote="Guest 6801328" data-source="post: 8066016">Could you elaborate on the bold part?&nbsp; If somebody isn't interested in math, why do they have to do any math?In general, I think your complaints are exactly what the design goals were, and I personally love the result.I suppose there's an argument that if the goal of an &quot;advanced&quot; D&amp;D is to restore some of the crunchiness of other editions, then maybe a more fiddly advantage system is appropriate.&nbsp; But in general my mantra is, &quot;simple rules, complex implications&quot;.&nbsp; My general feeling is that adding a bunch of +'s and -'s is complex, but it's also pretty easy to figure out how to maximize the result.&nbsp; So you end up with &quot;complex rules, simple optimization.&quot;Although many people like to say that &quot;advantage/disadvantage is approximately equal to +5/-5&quot;, that really oversimplifies it.&nbsp; It's a terribly simple system (especially since they cancel, regardless of how many you have on each side of the scale) yet the result is hard to quantify because it varies with the d20 result needed.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Guest 6801328, post: 8066016"] Could you elaborate on the bold part? If somebody isn't interested in math, why do they have to do any math? In general, I think your complaints are exactly what the design goals were, and I personally love the result. I suppose there's an argument that if the goal of an "advanced" D&D is to restore some of the crunchiness of other editions, then maybe a more fiddly advantage system is appropriate. But in general my mantra is, "simple rules, complex implications". My general feeling is that adding a bunch of +'s and -'s is complex, but it's also pretty easy to figure out how to maximize the result. So you end up with "complex rules, simple optimization." Although many people like to say that "advantage/disadvantage is approximately equal to +5/-5", that really oversimplifies it. It's a terribly simple system (especially since they cancel, regardless of how many you have on each side of the scale) yet the result is hard to quantify because it varies with the d20 result needed. [/QUOTE]

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