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<blockquote data-quote="Zehnseiter" data-source="post: 8534295" data-attributes="member: 7030431">Correct. But as others already have mentioned that is mostly a problem of the first 4E Monster Manual. They fixed the maths here quickly.D&amp;D has a habit of the first MM always being the weakest one mechanically as the designers still learn about and get comfortable with their own new system. Sadly the first MM always has the most well known and iconic monsters.The 5E MM is not different in that regard. It has for example a large number of really boring sack-of-hitpoints monsters that you change out with your player not even noticing. Luckily monster books tend to improve a lot during the course of a edition.What is rare is that the first MM monsters get revisited during a running edition.In 4E this happend with the Monster Vault that came at the end of the edition and was the pinnacle of 4E monster design. Reading the first 4E MM next to the Monster Vault is a nice treat if you like mechanics. The dragons alone.....Back to 5E. If they ever revisit the first MM for it we will see a lot of way better designed stats for them as long as the designer don't have too much of a turnover. It will be very difficult to reproduce the mechanical brilliance that the MV had as 5E just has other design priorities but its almost certain that we would see huge improvements.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Zehnseiter, post: 8534295, member: 7030431"] Correct. But as others already have mentioned that is mostly a problem of the first 4E Monster Manual. They fixed the maths here quickly. D&D has a habit of the first MM always being the weakest one mechanically as the designers still learn about and get comfortable with their own new system. Sadly the first MM always has the most well known and iconic monsters. The 5E MM is not different in that regard. It has for example a large number of really boring sack-of-hitpoints monsters that you change out with your player not even noticing. Luckily monster books tend to improve a lot during the course of a edition. What is rare is that the first MM monsters get revisited during a running edition. In 4E this happend with the Monster Vault that came at the end of the edition and was the pinnacle of 4E monster design. Reading the first 4E MM next to the Monster Vault is a nice treat if you like mechanics. The dragons alone..... Back to 5E. If they ever revisit the first MM for it we will see a lot of way better designed stats for them as long as the designer don't have too much of a turnover. It will be very difficult to reproduce the mechanical brilliance that the MV had as 5E just has other design priorities but its almost certain that we would see huge improvements. [/QUOTE]

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