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<blockquote data-quote="LordVyreth" data-source="post: 3742191" data-attributes="member: 9626">I'm also really annoyed at the succubus/erinyes merger.&nbsp; No, they're not holding similar territory at all.&nbsp; They both come from very solid real-world mythological backgrounds, they fill completely different archetypal roles (tempter versus avenger,) and while they had similar statistics in earlier versions, 3.5 deliberately split them up.&nbsp; As for whether the succubus should be a devil, that depends on their purposes.&nbsp; If the demons are now otherworldly horrors previously associated more directly with the Far Realms, then fine.&nbsp; But arguably at least the core demons represented various states of temptation or emotional excesses that give way to evil, and in that case a humanoid demon representing lust makes perfect sense.Speaking of which, are we even going to have a Far Realm in 4e?&nbsp; Or is that still an unknown?&nbsp; Either way, this change does make me nervous.&nbsp; I judge a system by, among other things, how many house rules I need to implement to even start running it, and this could be my first one out of the gate, depending on how many other races get dumped in core.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="LordVyreth, post: 3742191, member: 9626"] I'm also really annoyed at the succubus/erinyes merger. No, they're not holding similar territory at all. They both come from very solid real-world mythological backgrounds, they fill completely different archetypal roles (tempter versus avenger,) and while they had similar statistics in earlier versions, 3.5 deliberately split them up. As for whether the succubus should be a devil, that depends on their purposes. If the demons are now otherworldly horrors previously associated more directly with the Far Realms, then fine. But arguably at least the core demons represented various states of temptation or emotional excesses that give way to evil, and in that case a humanoid demon representing lust makes perfect sense. Speaking of which, are we even going to have a Far Realm in 4e? Or is that still an unknown? Either way, this change does make me nervous. I judge a system by, among other things, how many house rules I need to implement to even start running it, and this could be my first one out of the gate, depending on how many other races get dumped in core. [/QUOTE]

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