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<blockquote data-quote="DarthDiablo" data-source="post: 3742832" data-attributes="member: 55048">For those who are concerned about the fluff changes for Demons &amp; Devils, nothing WOTC is doing now will compare to TSR's 2nd Edition Change that essentially killed off all of the Demon Princes &amp; Arch-Devils, created the council of 8 Pit Fiend lords of the 9 Hells, and decided our beloved Mythological/Religious Villians become Aliens with names like Baatezu &amp; Tann'ari.&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; One of the best things about 3rd edition was they brought these baddies back.&nbsp; 3.5 went further into religion by changing certain Celestials into Angels.&nbsp; 4th edition just goes (to rip an old Ska Tune) 1 Step Beyond.&nbsp; I may not agree with all of the changes they make, but overall things are looking pretty good.&nbsp; Besides, if you don't like a certain fluffy description, change it for your campaign.&nbsp; If it's the crunch, re-write it in a way you like.&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; D&amp;D is based off of Ancient Mythology and modern fantasy.&nbsp; The Greek, Norse, Egyptian, &amp; Sumerian/Babylonian (Tiamat!) Gods all work well with this.&nbsp; I'll even dare to say if someone wants to Judeo-Christian religion fits very nicely into D&amp;D.&nbsp; Obviously Demons &amp; Devils are part of this, but Paladins &amp; Clerics have middle-ages Crusader written all over them as well.&nbsp; The divine powers of the cleric also fit well with certain prophets like Moses &amp; even the Messiah himself (pillars of flame, walking on water, creating meals for the masses-all that good stuff).&nbsp; Making another distinction between Demons &amp; Devils just adds more to this fluff.&nbsp; Perhaps this is also pre-cursor to the alignment changes I have read about on other forums, which would explain the need for a more distinct difference other than one type is CE &amp; the other LE.&nbsp; Mayby they will even drag the &quot;Yugoloths&quot; (anyone remember 1st edition Daemons?!?) over into the Demon fold, which I think is a much better place for them.&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Being a fan of Greek Mythology since I saw Clash of the Titans as a young'un I can only hope Medusea are properly re-written as Gorgons, and the name not given to those oversized oxen.&nbsp; Now if they can just keep names like Baatezu &amp; Tann'ari out of the loop, things will be even better than I hoped.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="DarthDiablo, post: 3742832, member: 55048"] For those who are concerned about the fluff changes for Demons & Devils, nothing WOTC is doing now will compare to TSR's 2nd Edition Change that essentially killed off all of the Demon Princes & Arch-Devils, created the council of 8 Pit Fiend lords of the 9 Hells, and decided our beloved Mythological/Religious Villians become Aliens with names like Baatezu & Tann'ari. One of the best things about 3rd edition was they brought these baddies back. 3.5 went further into religion by changing certain Celestials into Angels. 4th edition just goes (to rip an old Ska Tune) 1 Step Beyond. I may not agree with all of the changes they make, but overall things are looking pretty good. Besides, if you don't like a certain fluffy description, change it for your campaign. If it's the crunch, re-write it in a way you like. D&D is based off of Ancient Mythology and modern fantasy. The Greek, Norse, Egyptian, & Sumerian/Babylonian (Tiamat!) Gods all work well with this. I'll even dare to say if someone wants to Judeo-Christian religion fits very nicely into D&D. Obviously Demons & Devils are part of this, but Paladins & Clerics have middle-ages Crusader written all over them as well. The divine powers of the cleric also fit well with certain prophets like Moses & even the Messiah himself (pillars of flame, walking on water, creating meals for the masses-all that good stuff). Making another distinction between Demons & Devils just adds more to this fluff. Perhaps this is also pre-cursor to the alignment changes I have read about on other forums, which would explain the need for a more distinct difference other than one type is CE & the other LE. Mayby they will even drag the "Yugoloths" (anyone remember 1st edition Daemons?!?) over into the Demon fold, which I think is a much better place for them. Being a fan of Greek Mythology since I saw Clash of the Titans as a young'un I can only hope Medusea are properly re-written as Gorgons, and the name not given to those oversized oxen. Now if they can just keep names like Baatezu & Tann'ari out of the loop, things will be even better than I hoped. [/QUOTE]

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