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<blockquote data-quote="el-remmen" data-source="post: 3743302" data-attributes="member: 11">The first thing about 4E I hear that I really like, but then again, I don't consider it a &quot;rules&quot; thing so does not improve or worsen my opinion of the system &quot;so far&quot;.It also closely mirrors the cosmology of Aquerra, except I did away with the devil/demon distinction entirely and were just words used by humans to describe these fiends.&nbsp; When they fell from their angelic grace, there were those who still want to set up a new kingdom of rule, and those who wanted total freedom to do whatever they wanted and perhaps even destroy the cosmos itself.&nbsp; The one who wanted to re-achieve their divine status (for their own ends) established the 'Stem of Hell' (divided into Nine easy pieces), and those who remained in 'the abyss' of chaos around it are sometimes called &quot;demons&quot;.&nbsp; So, in my game there have been pit fiend &quot;demons&quot; and succubus &quot;devils&quot;. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />Also, don't see the big deal about the merge of the succubus and eryines - if you REALLY need to have both, then when the rules come out use the guidelines for making monsters and make them based on their old versions.&nbsp; It is like an hour's work, TOPS!. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>

[QUOTE="el-remmen, post: 3743302, member: 11"] The first thing about 4E I hear that I really like, but then again, I don't consider it a "rules" thing so does not improve or worsen my opinion of the system "so far". It also closely mirrors the cosmology of Aquerra, except I did away with the devil/demon distinction entirely and were just words used by humans to describe these fiends. When they fell from their angelic grace, there were those who still want to set up a new kingdom of rule, and those who wanted total freedom to do whatever they wanted and perhaps even destroy the cosmos itself. The one who wanted to re-achieve their divine status (for their own ends) established the 'Stem of Hell' (divided into Nine easy pieces), and those who remained in 'the abyss' of chaos around it are sometimes called "demons". So, in my game there have been pit fiend "demons" and succubus "devils". :) Also, don't see the big deal about the merge of the succubus and eryines - if you REALLY need to have both, then when the rules come out use the guidelines for making monsters and make them based on their old versions. It is like an hour's work, TOPS!. :) [/QUOTE]

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