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<blockquote data-quote="JoelF" data-source="post: 3743408" data-attributes="member: 8829">Another thing that bothers me about this change is the implication that:a) this simplies and makes the demon/devil split more logicalb) that this will therefore make it easier for new players to learn the gameI have to refute these assumptions because:a) since when does logic have anything to do with demons (in their historic and current incarnation at least) which are embodiments of chaotic evil - they don't HAVE to make sense, sicne chaos allows all sorts of forms, even hot human looking women demons. * b) has anyone actually heard a potential new player say &quot;this D&amp;D game is just too complicated, I can't tell demons apart from devils, and espeically those women ones - they're just the same, so how can some be demons and some be devils&quot;?&nbsp; Personally, I think clearing up tough rules and makeing the game more faster are ways to get new players into the game easier, but this change is not going to impact new players in any way.* - For this matter, perhaps maenads don't exist in 4E, because they are also hot women monsters which go and kill you.&nbsp; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>

[QUOTE="JoelF, post: 3743408, member: 8829"] Another thing that bothers me about this change is the implication that: a) this simplies and makes the demon/devil split more logical b) that this will therefore make it easier for new players to learn the game I have to refute these assumptions because: a) since when does logic have anything to do with demons (in their historic and current incarnation at least) which are embodiments of chaotic evil - they don't HAVE to make sense, sicne chaos allows all sorts of forms, even hot human looking women demons. * b) has anyone actually heard a potential new player say "this D&D game is just too complicated, I can't tell demons apart from devils, and espeically those women ones - they're just the same, so how can some be demons and some be devils"? Personally, I think clearing up tough rules and makeing the game more faster are ways to get new players into the game easier, but this change is not going to impact new players in any way. * - For this matter, perhaps maenads don't exist in 4E, because they are also hot women monsters which go and kill you. :) [/QUOTE]

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