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<blockquote data-quote="Lancelot" data-source="post: 3743710" data-attributes="member: 30022">I'm open to change, but as many other posters have already said... I'm concerned at the potential invalidation of so much rich prior &quot;fluff&quot;.2e (mainly Planescape) changed a lot of the fluff, as was well pointed-out by a prior poster. The archdevils vanished for a time, demons became tanar'ri, and so forth. But fundamentally, there was room to bring a lot of that stuff back in. There was nothing in Planescape which said that Asmodeus wasn't still there (&quot;Unnamed Lord of the Ninth&quot;)... they were still &quot;really&quot; demons... Baator was &quot;really&quot; the Nine Hells...The same is true of the 3e changes to 2e. Moloch was replaced by the Hag-Countess, who was then replaced by Glasya. But there was some story to explain it. Change is fine, but change with some back-story to help that all-important &quot;suspension of disbelief&quot;. What I'm worried about is if this is a complete retcon to the point that there are no CE succubi any more... and no LE erinyes-that-are-winged-avengers-with-swords. And furthermore, that they *never existed in the first place*. Where did they all go? What happens to the 12 pages of my Fiendish Codex which details Malcanthet and the other succubi lords in detail? Please don't tell me the whole Blood War was just a fever dream, and that no such conflict exists any more...I'm okay with the change if they provide us with some tools or fluff to help explain it. Maybe the Succubi defect en masse to the devils. Maybe they were diabolic &quot;double-agents&quot; in the Abyss all along! Or maybe there are some Succubus Devils that &quot;defect&quot; and become CE, explaining why they can be found in the Abyss as well. I'm good with any of that, as long as the answer isn't simply: &quot;Succubi aren't found on the Abyss, they never were found on the Abyss, and Malcanthet doesn't exist any more.&quot;Sure, I know that you can have whatever you want for your home campaigns... but it's not quite the same.Tangent: Hmmm... what does this mean for Graz'zt? If there's a more devilish demon-prince (humanoid form, weapon-using, intelligent, seductive), than I don't know it. Could more than just the rank-and-file troops be &quot;switching sides&quot;???</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Lancelot, post: 3743710, member: 30022"] I'm open to change, but as many other posters have already said... I'm concerned at the potential invalidation of so much rich prior "fluff". 2e (mainly Planescape) changed a lot of the fluff, as was well pointed-out by a prior poster. The archdevils vanished for a time, demons became tanar'ri, and so forth. But fundamentally, there was room to bring a lot of that stuff back in. There was nothing in Planescape which said that Asmodeus wasn't still there ("Unnamed Lord of the Ninth")... they were still "really" demons... Baator was "really" the Nine Hells... The same is true of the 3e changes to 2e. Moloch was replaced by the Hag-Countess, who was then replaced by Glasya. But there was some story to explain it. Change is fine, but change with some back-story to help that all-important "suspension of disbelief". What I'm worried about is if this is a complete retcon to the point that there are no CE succubi any more... and no LE erinyes-that-are-winged-avengers-with-swords. And furthermore, that they *never existed in the first place*. Where did they all go? What happens to the 12 pages of my Fiendish Codex which details Malcanthet and the other succubi lords in detail? Please don't tell me the whole Blood War was just a fever dream, and that no such conflict exists any more... I'm okay with the change if they provide us with some tools or fluff to help explain it. Maybe the Succubi defect en masse to the devils. Maybe they were diabolic "double-agents" in the Abyss all along! Or maybe there are some Succubus Devils that "defect" and become CE, explaining why they can be found in the Abyss as well. I'm good with any of that, as long as the answer isn't simply: "Succubi aren't found on the Abyss, they never were found on the Abyss, and Malcanthet doesn't exist any more." Sure, I know that you can have whatever you want for your home campaigns... but it's not quite the same. Tangent: Hmmm... what does this mean for Graz'zt? If there's a more devilish demon-prince (humanoid form, weapon-using, intelligent, seductive), than I don't know it. Could more than just the rank-and-file troops be "switching sides"??? [/QUOTE]

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