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<blockquote data-quote="Jer" data-source="post: 3744270" data-attributes="member: 19857">I suspect it's something like this, though I bet they just moved the demonic Succubus to being a devil.&nbsp; The Erinyes will probably show up (something has to go into MM II, III, IV, V, VI, etc.), and hopefully it will be as terrifying as the Erinyes of myth, and not a succubus with different wings (as I was remined yesterday when I pulled out my Planescape MC to see what the big difference was between the two of them -- bat wings vs. feathered wings in the grand scheme of things.&nbsp; Both of them looked like Victoria Secrets models, actually...)Eh, I think this is all more personal taste.&nbsp; I mean, the source of the Law/Chaos stuff in D&amp;D comes from the work of folks like Moorcock and Zelazny.&nbsp; It's been a long time since I read either one, but the various representatives of Chaos never seemed quite as disorganized or unstructured as one might think from the name -- the names seemed to represent two sides of an argument based on degree, not polar opposites.&nbsp; I mean, Elric's people were on the side of Chaos, yet they built a huge empire and maintained it for thousands of years.&nbsp; And the Chaos Lords who showed up rarely seemed like swirling masses of unstructured madness, but instead scheming demons with plots and plans that spanned millenia.In other words, I don't think that it's been watered down over the years, I think it's always been kind of watery.&nbsp; That's part of why I'm glad that they're looking at de-emphasizing alignment in the new edition - fantasy has moved on in ways that D&amp;D hasn't, and the alignment system is trying to be too many things beyond what it was originally designed for.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Jer, post: 3744270, member: 19857"] I suspect it's something like this, though I bet they just moved the demonic Succubus to being a devil. The Erinyes will probably show up (something has to go into MM II, III, IV, V, VI, etc.), and hopefully it will be as terrifying as the Erinyes of myth, and not a succubus with different wings (as I was remined yesterday when I pulled out my Planescape MC to see what the big difference was between the two of them -- bat wings vs. feathered wings in the grand scheme of things. Both of them looked like Victoria Secrets models, actually...) Eh, I think this is all more personal taste. I mean, the source of the Law/Chaos stuff in D&D comes from the work of folks like Moorcock and Zelazny. It's been a long time since I read either one, but the various representatives of Chaos never seemed quite as disorganized or unstructured as one might think from the name -- the names seemed to represent two sides of an argument based on degree, not polar opposites. I mean, Elric's people were on the side of Chaos, yet they built a huge empire and maintained it for thousands of years. And the Chaos Lords who showed up rarely seemed like swirling masses of unstructured madness, but instead scheming demons with plots and plans that spanned millenia. In other words, I don't think that it's been watered down over the years, I think it's always been kind of watery. That's part of why I'm glad that they're looking at de-emphasizing alignment in the new edition - fantasy has moved on in ways that D&D hasn't, and the alignment system is trying to be too many things beyond what it was originally designed for. [/QUOTE]

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