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<blockquote data-quote="Aaron L" data-source="post: 3745471" data-attributes="member: 926"><p>I'll bet you fifty dollars that there are a lot more people who associate magic missiles, fireballs, and Mind Flayers with D&D then who even know what the Great Wheel <em>is</em>.</p><p></p><p>And that's among active D&D players. </p><p></p><p>But I personally have no problem with the great wheel. Just get rid of that ugly Blood War tumor growing on it.</p><p></p><p>And the part about merging Succubi and Erinyes and recreating Erinyes as true demonic Furies instead of "the other teams Succubus", and making Succubi into tempting devils, is an <em>excellent</em> idea. How many D&D players have any idea that Erinyes is the Greek name for the Furies, and <em>isn't</em> just the name for the devil teams Succubus rip-off? My DM sure didn't, when I told him this past weekend.* And he introduced me to D&D.</p><p></p><p>(*In a discussion that was totally unrelated to 4E or any of this, I just told him because he was talking about Erinyes. It's really bizarre that this whole schmeel comes up right after our discussion.) </p><p></p><p>Let's take D&D a little bit more back to the source material that it comes from, instead of digging it deeper in the mess of self-referencing "D&Disms" that it's become. Not so much that it wouldn't be recognizably D&D, but enough that the things that aren't necessary to make it D&D aren't kept around for nostalgia's sake. (especially not nostalgia of a sequel edition. If you they need to nix things, lets hope they start with the 2Eisms.) I know of no Earthly mythology where Demon and Devils were locked in eternal war over matters of Law vs Chaos. Let's keep that an entirely Planescape campaign setting matter and <em>not</em> have it be the default of all D&D settings.</p><p></p><p>Similiarly, Baalzebub, mythologically the Lord of Flies, being presented as a slug-man devil instead of an insectoid being is a lame idea.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Aaron L, post: 3745471, member: 926"] I'll bet you fifty dollars that there are a lot more people who associate magic missiles, fireballs, and Mind Flayers with D&D then who even know what the Great Wheel [i]is[/i]. And that's among active D&D players. But I personally have no problem with the great wheel. Just get rid of that ugly Blood War tumor growing on it. And the part about merging Succubi and Erinyes and recreating Erinyes as true demonic Furies instead of "the other teams Succubus", and making Succubi into tempting devils, is an [i]excellent[/i] idea. How many D&D players have any idea that Erinyes is the Greek name for the Furies, and [i]isn't[/i] just the name for the devil teams Succubus rip-off? My DM sure didn't, when I told him this past weekend.* And he introduced me to D&D. (*In a discussion that was totally unrelated to 4E or any of this, I just told him because he was talking about Erinyes. It's really bizarre that this whole schmeel comes up right after our discussion.) Let's take D&D a little bit more back to the source material that it comes from, instead of digging it deeper in the mess of self-referencing "D&Disms" that it's become. Not so much that it wouldn't be recognizably D&D, but enough that the things that aren't necessary to make it D&D aren't kept around for nostalgia's sake. (especially not nostalgia of a sequel edition. If you they need to nix things, lets hope they start with the 2Eisms.) I know of no Earthly mythology where Demon and Devils were locked in eternal war over matters of Law vs Chaos. Let's keep that an entirely Planescape campaign setting matter and [i]not[/i] have it be the default of all D&D settings. Similiarly, Baalzebub, mythologically the Lord of Flies, being presented as a slug-man devil instead of an insectoid being is a lame idea. [/QUOTE]
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