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<blockquote data-quote="delericho" data-source="post: 3746282" data-attributes="member: 22424"><p>"Less is more" is absolutely a good thing <em>from the players' point of view</em>. However, for a DM to properly use a given element, he really needs information about it. You cannot pit your PCs against Demogorgon in a fight they have a chance to win unless you have stats for Demogorgon. Does having stats make Demogorgon less dangerous, Evil and mysterious? To the DM, yes, but to the players it should not.</p><p></p><p>So, in detailing the Lower Planes and the arch-fiends for use, of course 2nd Edition had to reduce the mystery, and hence the terror... from the point of view of the DMs who were going to use that material and therefore needed that information. For the players, who shouldn't be accessing that material, it shouldn't make any difference.</p><p></p><p>(Of course, there is the problem that many players look into things they really shouldn't, and many players are also DMs, and so will read that material. I don't have an answer to that point.)</p><p></p><p>To draw an analogy, consider the scariest 'creeping horror' film you know. From the point of view of the audience, it's scary because the information isn't present. From the point of view of the director, though, there isn't that same fear - he knows exactly what's going on (and necessarily must, to do his job). For this analogy, the players are the audience; the DM is the director.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="delericho, post: 3746282, member: 22424"] "Less is more" is absolutely a good thing [i]from the players' point of view[/i]. However, for a DM to properly use a given element, he really needs information about it. You cannot pit your PCs against Demogorgon in a fight they have a chance to win unless you have stats for Demogorgon. Does having stats make Demogorgon less dangerous, Evil and mysterious? To the DM, yes, but to the players it should not. So, in detailing the Lower Planes and the arch-fiends for use, of course 2nd Edition had to reduce the mystery, and hence the terror... from the point of view of the DMs who were going to use that material and therefore needed that information. For the players, who shouldn't be accessing that material, it shouldn't make any difference. (Of course, there is the problem that many players look into things they really shouldn't, and many players are also DMs, and so will read that material. I don't have an answer to that point.) To draw an analogy, consider the scariest 'creeping horror' film you know. From the point of view of the audience, it's scary because the information isn't present. From the point of view of the director, though, there isn't that same fear - he knows exactly what's going on (and necessarily must, to do his job). For this analogy, the players are the audience; the DM is the director. [/QUOTE]
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