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Message: <blockquote data-quote="RPG_Tweaker" data-source="post: 3747033" data-attributes="member: 13041">Since you are capable of typing, clearly you are real. And since you come to EN World, I can safely assume you play the game.Thus it is my conclusion that you are indeed a "real player."-----Back on Topic-----You asserted that because TSR released the Manual of the Planes, there is an implied 'cementing' of this milieu to the core game (PHB/DMG/MM). This is simply not true.The Great Wheel was an option given in an appendix; voluntary campaign fluff.Over the years TSR released several supplements/campaign settings with wildly different cosmological assumptions, including Deities & Demigods/Legends & Lore, Lankhmar, and Mystara... all this before they got around to making MotP. Even after that, TSR continued to release more CSs that eschewed the Great Wheel (Dragonlance and Forgotten Realms).So basically, the TSR product line reveals that D&D does not have an 'official' cosmology. D&D assumes each DM will choose or make a cosmology that suits them, and the Great Wheel is merely the oldest one they've offered. It has no intrinsic ties to actually playing the game, and is thus disposable.Since WotC is now in charge, they can do as they please, and this new demon/devil change reflects that. I understand the grief of Planescapers, but it appears that is a cross WotC is willing to bear.I've never used the Wheel myself, therefore it is not sarosanct. This announced restructuring seems reasonable, therefore I applaud it.</blockquote>

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