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<blockquote data-quote="Velmont" data-source="post: 2988510" data-attributes="member: 13739">A few presision, Skill Mastery isn't a feat, but a Special Power of the Rogue. you gain it ta level 10 of Rogue, so you delay a lot your assassin progession if you try to get it.And I don't tell the Assassin wouldn't make a good spy, but he wouldn't be the best. If you think it take only a few twick, I would tell you want to play a spy/asssassin, not a spy. My vision of a spy would have things like:- Bonus to Bluff, Disguise and Forgery or some alternate identity- Quick Change to allow to change disguise- Some kind of connection with a network of informant- In case he is a spellcaster: Charm-Person, Detect Secret Door, Comprehend Language, Detect Thought, Locate Object, maybe even Scying.Things I don't feel as something that should be in a Spy PrC:- Death Attack (Why you would want to attack someone, it will blow off your cover? A spy have other way to get there information)- Poison Use- Spells (True Strike, Magic Circle against Good, Poison)Things that could be modify, but could stay too:- Sneak attack (Combat is not the way of the spy, but it doesn't harm to know how to knock off a guard in one hit or to know how to defend hisself)- Uncanny Dodge (same reason)With all these changes, it would make a great spy.My point is not that an assassin wouldn't do a good spy (he would), but he wouldn't make the best of all. An arcane trickster or a simple rogue would make a just as good, but the best of all, I don,t think there is one yet.And if you like the death attack class ability, I agree it shouldn't be only accessible to evil character, but I think the assassin class is quite well like that.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Velmont, post: 2988510, member: 13739"] A few presision, Skill Mastery isn't a feat, but a Special Power of the Rogue. you gain it ta level 10 of Rogue, so you delay a lot your assassin progession if you try to get it. And I don't tell the Assassin wouldn't make a good spy, but he wouldn't be the best. If you think it take only a few twick, I would tell you want to play a spy/asssassin, not a spy. My vision of a spy would have things like: - Bonus to Bluff, Disguise and Forgery or some alternate identity - Quick Change to allow to change disguise - Some kind of connection with a network of informant - In case he is a spellcaster: Charm-Person, Detect Secret Door, Comprehend Language, Detect Thought, Locate Object, maybe even Scying. Things I don't feel as something that should be in a Spy PrC: - Death Attack (Why you would want to attack someone, it will blow off your cover? A spy have other way to get there information) - Poison Use - Spells (True Strike, Magic Circle against Good, Poison) Things that could be modify, but could stay too: - Sneak attack (Combat is not the way of the spy, but it doesn't harm to know how to knock off a guard in one hit or to know how to defend hisself) - Uncanny Dodge (same reason) With all these changes, it would make a great spy. My point is not that an assassin wouldn't do a good spy (he would), but he wouldn't make the best of all. An arcane trickster or a simple rogue would make a just as good, but the best of all, I don,t think there is one yet. And if you like the death attack class ability, I agree it shouldn't be only accessible to evil character, but I think the assassin class is quite well like that. [/QUOTE]

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