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<blockquote data-quote="Feldspar" data-source="post: 3400947" data-attributes="member: 20450">Gimp his character beyond belief?&nbsp; I'm not sure how switching from an elf to a half-elf is getting gimped.&nbsp; Doesn't this very thread support the position that Favored Class: Any is a valuable racial ability?And don't underestimate the value of *not* having a -2 Con penalty.&nbsp; Having half the bonus to Search, Spot and Listen isn't that big a deal and Swordsage gives proficiency for all those weapons.&nbsp; The only thing that really gets lost is the auto detect secret doors ability.&nbsp; Maybe that could become a feat available to half-elves.Would Scout work instead of Rogue?&nbsp; Not that its an option out of the box, but with a little work and persauasion ... The first step is to start a conversation about how cool it would be to work some of the new base classes into game as new favored classes - ie Pixie changes to Spellthief, Kobold changes to Dragon Disciple, some of the Rogues and Rangers (Bugbears, Goblins, Gnolls, etc) changing to Scout.&nbsp; You then convince your DM that one of the elven subraces (wild or wood elf probably) should be a Scout.&nbsp; Then BAM! you're set <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>

[QUOTE="Feldspar, post: 3400947, member: 20450"] Gimp his character beyond belief? I'm not sure how switching from an elf to a half-elf is getting gimped. Doesn't this very thread support the position that Favored Class: Any is a valuable racial ability? And don't underestimate the value of *[b]not[/b]* having a -2 Con penalty. Having half the bonus to Search, Spot and Listen isn't that big a deal and Swordsage gives proficiency for all those weapons. The only thing that really gets lost is the auto detect secret doors ability. Maybe that could become a feat available to half-elves. Would Scout work instead of Rogue? Not that its an option out of the box, but with a little work and persauasion ... The first step is to start a conversation about how cool it would be to work some of the new base classes into game as new favored classes - ie Pixie changes to Spellthief, Kobold changes to Dragon Disciple, some of the Rogues and Rangers (Bugbears, Goblins, Gnolls, etc) changing to Scout. You then convince your DM that one of the elven subraces (wild or wood elf probably) should be a Scout. Then BAM! you're set :) [/QUOTE]

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