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<blockquote data-quote="Maxperson" data-source="post: 9377628" data-attributes="member: 23751">Sure, but what I'm saying is that the +1 bonus from going to 18 or even +2 bonus(over the 17 stat) from hitting 20 don't make much difference in the bounded system.&nbsp; An extra hit every 2.5-5 fights and a bit of extra damage against the giant bags of hit points that 5e monsters are, just doesn't have much impact.&nbsp; Even the bit of extra DC doesn't matter since the +1 or +2 will only prevent the occasional made save over the 17 stat.I agree that aesthetics and especially psychology come into play hard here.&nbsp; A lot of people feel like they NEED every +1 possible, even though they don't, so feel compelled to push that 17 to 18 or even 20 as soon as possible.&nbsp; Some of that is reinforced by 3e and I think 4e, which had treadmill bonuses where every +1 did matter because monsters were getting harder as you levelled and you needed the bonuses to keep up.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Maxperson, post: 9377628, member: 23751"] Sure, but what I'm saying is that the +1 bonus from going to 18 or even +2 bonus(over the 17 stat) from hitting 20 don't make much difference in the bounded system. An extra hit every 2.5-5 fights and a bit of extra damage against the giant bags of hit points that 5e monsters are, just doesn't have much impact. Even the bit of extra DC doesn't matter since the +1 or +2 will only prevent the occasional made save over the 17 stat. I agree that aesthetics and especially psychology come into play hard here. A lot of people feel like they NEED every +1 possible, even though they don't, so feel compelled to push that 17 to 18 or even 20 as soon as possible. Some of that is reinforced by 3e and I think 4e, which had treadmill bonuses where every +1 did matter because monsters were getting harder as you levelled and you needed the bonuses to keep up. [/QUOTE]

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