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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Spatzimaus" data-source="post: 3091604" data-attributes="member: 3051">Sort of; we've used this rule in three separate campaigns.In the first campaign (more or less straight D&D), yes, casters still used stats the way they always have.In the second campaign (heavily house-ruled D&D) the Wizard and Sorcerer class were merged into a spontaneous INT-based caster (as was the Bard), but the save DC for ALL casters used your CHA (the INT/WIS determined bonus spells, max spell level, etc.)The third campaign (the total homebrew) was mostly skill-based casting, meaning the casting stats didn't do as much; even though only one stat set the save DC, you couldn't raise only that one stat at the expense of the others.  For instance, the custom Channeler class was a INT-based "drain" caster, in that casting any spell effectively cost you HP depending on its level.  So, a Channeler needs a decent CON as well as his INT.I don't know.  Personally I'm not sure I like the flat DC system, if only because it makes certain 1st-level spells much stronger.  For instance, compare the 1st-level charm person to the 4th-level charm monster; in most campaigns 90% of your powerful enemies will be a "person", so the power difference between the two spells is more based on the +3 DC difference than anything else.  The only thing that keeps a high-level Sorcerer from using charm person a half-dozen times per day to dominate high-level play is its low DC.The same logic applies to the dominate spells, baleful polymorph, phantasmal killer, all of the Shadow spells... and to anything you apply metamagic to.  If you've got fireball and Empower Spell, do you really need delayed blast fireball?  Effectively, metamagics become twice as effective, because now you can use them to replace high-level spells without suffering the save DC loss.Basically, I think you'd need to adjust the levels of many low-level spells to keep things balanced, and I'm not sure the result is worth the effort.In most cases, the TOTAL save was slightly reduced (since you round down), but yes, saves were more averaged.  But this doesn't give an advantage to the caster; if anything, it's a disadvantage.Think about it.  Right now, I look at a fast, agile Rogue, and I KNOW that a Reflex-based spell is worthless, but that anything else will be very effective.  So, as long as I throw something non-Reflex, my chance of success is very high.  While the average of his three saves is reasonable, I know his weaknesses well.But under this system, his Reflex will be lower, and his others will probably be a bit higher.  So what do I throw at him?  No matter what I use, he'll have a noticeable chance to resist.  I now can't be as sure which save to use.  Okay, maybe he's a Weapon Finesse guy (meaning low STR, meaning his Fortitude save is low), but maybe he's not, and it makes a big difference.(Of course, this logic only applies to single-target spells.  AoE is another thing entirely.)Also, this increases the mean saves of the Wizard, Sorcerer, STR-heavy melee types, etc., since their prime stat now increases a save.  The Wizard, especially, is more difficult; he's got a good Will save from his class levels, but his high INT also gives a decent Reflex save... all that's left is Fortitude, and if he's a +CON race (Dwarf, Gnome?) even that can be questionable.</blockquote>

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