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<blockquote data-quote="DND_Reborn" data-source="post: 7970451" data-attributes="member: 6987520">One comment I would like to add that I just thought of for the WLR club members, if you impose the STR mod penalty for dumping STR to less than 10, it would offset the benefit gained by finesse. Maybe just for damage even?So, a STR 8, DEX 18 finesse attacker might be +4 to attack still, but only +3 to damage due to the -1 STR mod.Just a thought. I know a lot of groups (mine included) house-ruled finesse to attack rolls only, not damage.Otherwise, there is no reason to not take rapier as is. It allows you to dump STR (I wouldn't myself, but apparently others do...) and does more damage than other finesse weapons in melee. You're only hurting yourself if you don't take it.Keep in mind also for TWF, you can have a SA-weapon (light) as your second weapon and use SA with that. If you need to use your bonus action for cunning action before you attack, make the light (second weapon held) your weapon for the attack action and still benefit from SA. If you don't need your bonus action, you can TWF and attack with both. Sure, the rapier would no longer be a SA-weapon, but the other still is.Personally, I agree with a lot of people that given the nature of SA in 5E, really any weapon could be used. However, the offset for the ability (which is great, let's not fool ourselves), is restricting it to light weapons it makes thematic sense and balances.Actually, given the threads about Assassinate, maybe that could be an aspect of the Assassinate feature: for that opening strike you can apply your SA dice regardless of the weapon? I kind of like that myself...</blockquote>

[QUOTE="DND_Reborn, post: 7970451, member: 6987520"] One comment I would like to add that I just thought of for the WLR club members, [I]if[/I] you impose the STR mod penalty for dumping STR to less than 10, it would offset the benefit gained by finesse. Maybe just for damage even? So, a STR 8, DEX 18 finesse attacker might be +4 to attack still, but only +3 to damage due to the -1 STR mod. Just a thought. I know a lot of groups (mine included) house-ruled finesse to attack rolls only, not damage. Otherwise, there is no reason to not take rapier as is. It allows you to dump STR (I wouldn't myself, but apparently others do...) and does more damage than other finesse weapons in melee. You're only hurting yourself if you [I]don't[/I] take it. Keep in mind also for TWF, you can have a SA-weapon (light) as your second weapon and use SA with that. If you need to use your bonus action for cunning action before you attack, make the light (second weapon held) your weapon for the attack action and still benefit from SA. If you don't need your bonus action, you can TWF and attack with both. Sure, the rapier would no longer be a SA-weapon, but the other still is. Personally, I agree with a lot of people that given the nature of SA in 5E, really [I]any[/I] weapon could be used. However, the offset for the ability (which is great, let's not fool ourselves), is restricting it to light weapons it makes thematic sense and balances. Actually, given the threads about Assassinate, maybe that could be an aspect of the Assassinate feature: for that opening strike you can apply your SA dice regardless of the weapon? I kind of like that myself... [/QUOTE]

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