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Message: <blockquote data-quote="On Puget Sound" data-source="post: 4511494" data-attributes="member: 68988">Count me among those bothered by the save to avoid being pushed into nasty places.  Two things disturb me: the universality of the 55% chance, and the requirement that there be hazardous terrain (as opposed to a 6-enemy flank or other hazardous non-terrain situation) with the implication that the victim is aware of the hazard.  I'm considering two house rule alternatives.  Both begin with "When you are being pushed, pulled or slid you may, one time during the forced movement, attempt to fall prone and stop the movement. You may not do this if you are already prone."Option A is "make an Athletics, Acrobatics or Endurance check.  If your roll beats the attack roll that caused the forced movement, you succeed and fall prone."Option B is "If you attempt this, the attacker must roll a d20 with the same bonus as the attack that caused the forced movement, but against your best non-AC defense.  If the attacker succeeds at that roll, the forced movement continues; otherwise, you fall and stop moving."I don't know how the math would scale.  I suspect that under option A, characters who do not advance their physical stats (wizards) will become highly likely at high levels to be pushed off cliffs, making safewing amulets popular. I'd like for the chance of success for a very capable character (strong, nimble or just plain stubborn) to be around 75%, with average characters in the 50-60% range and weak and clumsy characters at 25 to 35%.  Any thoughts or analysis?</blockquote>

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