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<blockquote data-quote="TBSamophlange" data-source="post: 6896340" data-attributes="member: 6795300">I fully agree that the Artificer SHOULD be its own class, there are too many fiddly bits to fully capture the feel of the original.&nbsp;&nbsp; I used the unearthed arcana as basis because that is what is released, semi officially.&nbsp; Though, the creation of a full class offers other difficulties, such as creating different specialties.&nbsp; &nbsp; How different are artificers?&nbsp; At their core, do they ACTUALLY need their own class?&nbsp; And if so, what are three viable sub-types for the artificer?&nbsp; In my mind, the class should focus on three aspects - the adventuring, rogue-lite that uses his artificer abilities to disable traps and ancient secrets, the more &quot;build magic items for the party&quot;, and possibly a psionic - grow items out if crystals.&nbsp; Keep in mind that the Artificer was built for Eberron, they are the people who make all the minor magic items that infuse the setting, and when designing the class, that must be kept in mind, with it being ported to other worlds second.&nbsp;&nbsp; This is important because if you want to create the artificer, you need to know what it is meant to do, and where it fits into a society/world.&nbsp; Eberron has lots of low level magic, and utility magic - this is what the artificer should be focused on.in terms of class emulation, I am looking to the ranger, lower spell casting - limited to rituals maybe, and unique abilities toward the downtime crafting bent seems a decent mix.While discussing the virtues of which class has the best core mechanics is interesting, It doesn't help me much in determiming if my changes are balanced or thematically sound.&nbsp;&nbsp; While a full crafting system is not implemented, there is the downtime action, which I heavily relied on, to create many minor items, and gear, that I feel an artificer should excel at.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="TBSamophlange, post: 6896340, member: 6795300"] I fully agree that the Artificer SHOULD be its own class, there are too many fiddly bits to fully capture the feel of the original. I used the unearthed arcana as basis because that is what is released, semi officially. Though, the creation of a full class offers other difficulties, such as creating different specialties. How different are artificers? At their core, do they ACTUALLY need their own class? And if so, what are three viable sub-types for the artificer? In my mind, the class should focus on three aspects - the adventuring, rogue-lite that uses his artificer abilities to disable traps and ancient secrets, the more "build magic items for the party", and possibly a psionic - grow items out if crystals. Keep in mind that the Artificer was built for Eberron, they are the people who make all the minor magic items that infuse the setting, and when designing the class, that must be kept in mind, with it being ported to other worlds second. This is important because if you want to create the artificer, you need to know what it is meant to do, and where it fits into a society/world. Eberron has lots of low level magic, and utility magic - this is what the artificer should be focused on. in terms of class emulation, I am looking to the ranger, lower spell casting - limited to rituals maybe, and unique abilities toward the downtime crafting bent seems a decent mix. While discussing the virtues of which class has the best core mechanics is interesting, It doesn't help me much in determiming if my changes are balanced or thematically sound. While a full crafting system is not implemented, there is the downtime action, which I heavily relied on, to create many minor items, and gear, that I feel an artificer should excel at. [/QUOTE]

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