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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Terraism" data-source="post: 2259588" data-attributes="member: 278">That's a consideration, yes.  The levels in the example were relatively arbitrary - wanted to space it evenly, and I really wanted them to get the final iteration of the ability at level 20.This is true. Which, I think, means that it's probably better to just focus on the feats where it's most significant, and go from there.That's a reasonable argument. It'd be a strange sort of metafeat, but it's reasonable. I'd also considered just replacing the feats they get at the iteration levels with this ability, but I'd decided against it. Seems that more people feel the fighter is balanced than I'd thought. Not that I mean to say "prove it!", but anyone defending high-level fighters have an example or two I could look at? Always easier to see it out, and I've found, well, what I said in my original post.Also, both of you mentioned that the problem is, as suspected, the relative dearth of high-level combat feats. Jester, you said you've created a list - care to share? I always like more feats! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /> Odysseus, you say more feats that reduce their equipment dependancy - this one strikes me as odd. If Weapon Focus, for a fighter, gave +5 instead of +1, doesn't that go a ways towards replacing their need for that +5 sword? (Repeat example with Weapon Specialization, Dodge, etc.)Hm. I thought about applying it to a specific feat, but decided not to for a few reasons. First, I've heard a number of people complain that they don't take the Focus/Specialization feats, because they're too specific. Second, I wanted to strengthen the fighter's role as being skilled at multiple forms of combat.I can see an argument for not allowing Combat Expertise or Power Attack, but I specifically wanted to include Combat Reflexes - normally limited to characters with a high Dexterity, I liked the idea that skilled fighters could pull off more attacks of opportunity even without being preternaturally quick. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> If, as-written, it says that, then I'll need to tweak the wording.  I did not intend for penalties to gain the +1 bonus - meaning Two-Weapon Fighting, Rapid Shot, and the like would not end up at +2 instead of -2.  As for Weapon Focus making Greater Weapon Focus useless, I addressed that in my first post.Hm. Not counting in penalties turned to bonuses, which, as stated, are not to be modified by this ability, I can't get anywhere near +12. In the most favorable of conditions, I can get +5 (Weapon Focus) +5 (Point Blank Shot), for a total +10, which is a net of +8 bonus total. (If you've been watching Malhavoc's Iron Lore previews, by the way, the archer there has a +25 BAB at 20th level, so it doesn't bug me that much.  I realize, however, that Iron Lore will be a very different game from core D&D.)And this is specifically what I'm trying to avoid with this change. I'm a fan of prestige classes living up to their name - being prestigious. I'm silly like that. I'm never happy to see that a character with 10 levels in a core class and ten in a PrC is stronger than a character who stayed with the core class for the full twenty levels. As such, I'm definitely trying to provide some reasons for someone to take levels 11-20 of fighter instead of a prestige class.This, I can't feel. Either the idea behind it from a non-mechanical view, or the mechanics of it. Sure, a Fighter 10/Assassin 10 could be nasty, but again, PrC. What I'm trying to avoid - and this ability does the exact opposite of what I'm trying, and what you state ("a reason to become a high-level fighter.") It gives you a reason not to be a high-level fighter - if you use the ability, you're obviously in a PrC, and if you don't, you didn't gain anything. And the second ability is only useful if you run an epic game.All around, I'm still interested in feedback, and looking at refining it. What if the ability capped out at +3, instead of +4? More reasonable?</blockquote>

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