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Message: <blockquote data-quote="S'mon" data-source="post: 5677319" data-attributes="member: 463">I guess I don't like Bluff & Insight as skills at all, really.  Judging the truthiness of an NPC - as played by the DM - should be up to the judgement of the players, not the dice.  (BTW I don't know why it's supposedly ok to give players an abstact puzzle to solve - riddles etc - but not to expect them to judge human interaction with their own judgement).But I don't see a problem with players asking 'do I think he's telling the truth?' and getting a roll on request.  That models the PC assessing body language and other non-verbal stuff the DM may not be representing.  If they are suspicious of everyone, fine.  Their PC will come across that way in play.I don't give people active Insight checks unless they're interacting with the NPC, but I'll let them use passive perception if they're just watching.Like I said, I'm not happy with the Insight skill, nor with the concept of the Bluff skill.  I don't find they work well in play.  Maybe in groups where nobody ever speaks in character, you just roll dice, it'd work.  Edit: Even then I don't like abilities like Bluff where you want to actively avoid using it!  Because AFAICT there are no rules for assessing the truthfulness of someone who *is* telling the truth, it's apparently left entirely to GM judgement.  If you don't lie then you can evade having to make a Bluff roll.  I think Call of Cthulu handles it far better with a broad 'Fast Talk' skill.</blockquote>

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