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<blockquote data-quote="Lyxen" data-source="post: 8444853" data-attributes="member: 7032025"><p>It was the hypothesis of the OP, though, and while I agree that it's very evil, it is not that random, or at least not that random for something that is the basic creative force of the universe through tyring all possibilities.</p><p></p><p>In the same direction is Glorantha's chaos (Runequest), which is incredibly well described, in particular in the fact that chaotic creatures gifterd with conscience are usually desperate since they are forced by their nature to act chaotic but that drive is in itself lawful and the paradox is tearing them (which goes to show that, ultimately, law and chaos are mindless, something that Moorcock describes well in particular in the plane where Law has won and nothing lives there). It is one of the great and terrible thing that beings like Nysalor and now the Red Goddess bring, an understanding of Chaos, which can bring relief to such creatures (and show that chaos in itself is not evil) at the expense of putting the world in danger as chaos cannot really be controlled, corrupts and is always at risk of exploding into a frenzy of creation and destruction that will ultimately doom the world (which can be construed as evil). And of course, the earthly conflict between cultures totally rejecting chaos and those embracing it as a creative force mirrors the cosmic conflict.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>For me, that is barely east of Neutral on the alignment axis, Chaos should be as militant as Law is, which is what you get in Moorcock and other sources where it is a cosmic force.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Again, for me, this is barely east of Neutral Good, if even east at all, although I agree that 5e has toned down alignments so much that the chaotic good description is really poor and your view might fit it. For me who is more old school, real chaotic good is saying that freedom is the only way to goodness, and that any rules, law or institution are by default preventing people from the real happiness of freedom, which means that it is not only one's freedom that needs to be achieved, but that one must fight for the freedom of others.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Lyxen, post: 8444853, member: 7032025"] It was the hypothesis of the OP, though, and while I agree that it's very evil, it is not that random, or at least not that random for something that is the basic creative force of the universe through tyring all possibilities. In the same direction is Glorantha's chaos (Runequest), which is incredibly well described, in particular in the fact that chaotic creatures gifterd with conscience are usually desperate since they are forced by their nature to act chaotic but that drive is in itself lawful and the paradox is tearing them (which goes to show that, ultimately, law and chaos are mindless, something that Moorcock describes well in particular in the plane where Law has won and nothing lives there). It is one of the great and terrible thing that beings like Nysalor and now the Red Goddess bring, an understanding of Chaos, which can bring relief to such creatures (and show that chaos in itself is not evil) at the expense of putting the world in danger as chaos cannot really be controlled, corrupts and is always at risk of exploding into a frenzy of creation and destruction that will ultimately doom the world (which can be construed as evil). And of course, the earthly conflict between cultures totally rejecting chaos and those embracing it as a creative force mirrors the cosmic conflict. For me, that is barely east of Neutral on the alignment axis, Chaos should be as militant as Law is, which is what you get in Moorcock and other sources where it is a cosmic force. Again, for me, this is barely east of Neutral Good, if even east at all, although I agree that 5e has toned down alignments so much that the chaotic good description is really poor and your view might fit it. For me who is more old school, real chaotic good is saying that freedom is the only way to goodness, and that any rules, law or institution are by default preventing people from the real happiness of freedom, which means that it is not only one's freedom that needs to be achieved, but that one must fight for the freedom of others. [/QUOTE]
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