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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Cryptos" data-source="post: 4203019" data-attributes="member: 58439">True, but in 3e there was a limit.If you told a player "You can create any sound, in noise level from a whisper to a shout, within 10 squares, discretely and at will, from first level as a minor action, and there is no saving throw or roll to succeed"  I think the results would tend to be a bit different than "You can cast this Ghost Sound as a standard action nine times per day using material, verbal and somatic components and a Will save negates the effect, or you can save up your cantrips to toss acid balls at people for 1d3 points of damage."</blockquote>