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<blockquote data-quote="Charlaquin" data-source="post: 7783213" data-attributes="member: 6779196"><p>This person gets it.</p><p></p><p></p><p>That is exactly what you’re doing. You’ve decided that the mafia is a LE group because it is classically used as an example of one. But your interpretation of the standards that define Lawful don’t allow for them to be. Rather than revising your interpretation of what alignment best describes the mafia, you propose a revision of the standard that defines Lawful. Personally, I don’t see a conflict between Lawful defined as “sacrifices individual liberty for the benefit of society” and the mafia being LE, but if I did, I would change the alignment I attribute to the mafia, not the standards by which I assess whether or not something is Lawful.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Tax evasion is an unlawful act, certainly, but the ideology of organized crime is still one of individual members of the organization willingly submitting to the authority of the organization for the good of the organization as a whole. That’s political authoritarianism. That’s Lawful. That they don’t care about those outside the group except in how they can be taken advantage of is ethically egoistic. That’s Evil. Tax evasion is certainly an unlawful act, and certainly many mob bosses’ actions would probably be more consistent with Neutral in regards to law vs. chaos. But that doesn’t stop the mafia as an organization from being Lawful Evil.</p><p></p><p></p><p>By willingly participating in a hierarchically structured group, every single member of the mafia is inherently sacrificing individual liberty for the benefit of that group. The mafia, or any other organization, is a society. That the interests of the mafia are in conflict with the interests of a broader society in which they exist does not change this fact. That the mafia puts its interests above the interests of the society in which it exists makes it Evil, not Chaotic.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Charlaquin, post: 7783213, member: 6779196"] This person gets it. That is exactly what you’re doing. You’ve decided that the mafia is a LE group because it is classically used as an example of one. But your interpretation of the standards that define Lawful don’t allow for them to be. Rather than revising your interpretation of what alignment best describes the mafia, you propose a revision of the standard that defines Lawful. Personally, I don’t see a conflict between Lawful defined as “sacrifices individual liberty for the benefit of society” and the mafia being LE, but if I did, I would change the alignment I attribute to the mafia, not the standards by which I assess whether or not something is Lawful. Tax evasion is an unlawful act, certainly, but the ideology of organized crime is still one of individual members of the organization willingly submitting to the authority of the organization for the good of the organization as a whole. That’s political authoritarianism. That’s Lawful. That they don’t care about those outside the group except in how they can be taken advantage of is ethically egoistic. That’s Evil. Tax evasion is certainly an unlawful act, and certainly many mob bosses’ actions would probably be more consistent with Neutral in regards to law vs. chaos. But that doesn’t stop the mafia as an organization from being Lawful Evil. By willingly participating in a hierarchically structured group, every single member of the mafia is inherently sacrificing individual liberty for the benefit of that group. The mafia, or any other organization, is a society. That the interests of the mafia are in conflict with the interests of a broader society in which they exist does not change this fact. That the mafia puts its interests above the interests of the society in which it exists makes it Evil, not Chaotic. [/QUOTE]
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