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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Psion" data-source="post: 226433" data-attributes="member: 172">Okay so far.No, and further, it is viewpoints like this that make CN alignments so troublesome. That is putting way to fine a point on it. That may fit a specific CN character, but not all. The essence of a CN character is a free spirit, a character that does not respect social convention.A CN character may well follow a person that they personally respected, or that they feared. But if that person was replaced by another person due to seniority, rank, or such not, the CN character would not feel compelled to follow.That sounds dangerously close to evil and not on the law/chaos axis. A CN character would lie if they felt justified, because they don't feel compelled to follow the social convention of honesty. But if they are exceedingly wanton and greedy, they are CE not CN.For the next one, two birds with one stone:Wrong, wrong, wrong, and this is another myth that makes CN characters troublesome. Incidentally, the original definition of CN in the 3e playtest material said something to this effect and it was mercifully axed before reaching the printed version. The above character may be CN, but it is in no way a necessary condition for a CN character. By acting randomly, the character necessarily defies social order. But you don't have to act randomly to defy social order. And individualist or free spirit can have perfectly self-consistent.No. First off, saying a chaotic character "must" do something is somewhat contradictory. A CN character may be perfectly content to avoid the agency when he doesn't have a compelling reason to do so. You seem to be describing a method vice an attitude. Chaotic =/= stupid. A wise CN character knows better than to piss in the cheerios of a powerful agency. Chaotic means not respecting social order; that does not mean it is compulsory to betray it when they aren't bothering you.True about the last sentence. Everything before it is off. A character could form a friendship because he respects or trusts a certain character; that does not mean he feels it important to be part of a community. Again, you seem to be describing a specific subset of CN behavior, not CN philosophy as a whole.</blockquote>

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