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<blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 347046" data-attributes="member: 4937">&quot;Sorry but my interpretation of LN means a person that strongly follows a Code of Conduct, not necessary Law Of The Land.&quot;That's exactly my interpretation of the alignment, which is why is explicitly stated in the example that the character considered him part of the government heirarchy.&nbsp; If his loyalty was to a different heirarchy then the same things would be true only with respect to that heirarchy.&quot;Won`t you consider a Mafia man like Don Corleone from Godfather lawful?&quot;Possibly. Hollywood can be very romantic about disidents.&nbsp; But specifically, if Don Corleone had LN retainers, then those LN retainers would follow the Godfather's instructions regardless of whether those instructions were 'lawful' or whether the Godfather was actually CE (though if both the retainer and Don Corleon were subject to some higher code of honor, Don Dorleone's continued violation of it would be grounds for the rebellion of his retainers).&quot;Oh, and you wouldn`t like me, I believe in moral relativism almost to the point of nihilism.&quot;I gathered your moral position from your first post, but you should note that my moral position is NOT relativistic, and therefore I don't have the right to 'not like' you - however much I may detest moral relativism and nihilism or however easily you may try to make it for me to not like you. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>

[QUOTE="Celebrim, post: 347046, member: 4937"] "Sorry but my interpretation of LN means a person that strongly follows a Code of Conduct, not necessary Law Of The Land." That's exactly my interpretation of the alignment, which is why is explicitly stated in the example that the character considered him part of the government heirarchy. If his loyalty was to a different heirarchy then the same things would be true only with respect to that heirarchy. "Won`t you consider a Mafia man like Don Corleone from Godfather lawful?" Possibly. Hollywood can be very romantic about disidents. But specifically, if Don Corleone had LN retainers, then those LN retainers would follow the Godfather's instructions regardless of whether those instructions were 'lawful' or whether the Godfather was actually CE (though if both the retainer and Don Corleon were subject to some higher code of honor, Don Dorleone's continued violation of it would be grounds for the rebellion of his retainers). "Oh, and you wouldn`t like me, I believe in moral relativism almost to the point of nihilism." I gathered your moral position from your first post, but you should note that my moral position is NOT relativistic, and therefore I don't have the right to 'not like' you - however much I may detest moral relativism and nihilism or however easily you may try to make it for me to not like you. :) [/QUOTE]

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