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<blockquote data-quote="travathian" data-source="post: 6568905" data-attributes="member: 12105"><p>I think you need to focus your character more. A Lore Bard is not designed to be a front line fighter. James Bond is not a Avenging Paladin wielding a spear. </p><p></p><p>Do you want to be James Bond or do you want to be Balsa? </p><p></p><p>James Bond is not an unarmored fighting machine, he is a make believe character whose fights are choreographed, and since he is the hero, he almost always wins them. Same thing with Balsa, protagonists don't lose, so trying to mimic them is kinda silly. Trying to combine them both in 5E dilutes them both and you end up with a character that can do a lot of stuff poorly. The only thing your character is good at is not getting hit.</p><p></p><p>If you want to be Balsa with subtle shades of James Bond, go Monk. Just Monk. Then use the Criminal background (spy option) or Charlatan, pick 2 from Insight, Acrobatics, and Stealth for your Monk skills, grab the Actor feat and just put some points into Charisma and <strong>play</strong> your character like James Bond. Your character sheet doesn't need to have a bunch of feats/skills/abilities for you to roleplay like him.</p><p></p><p>If you want to be a Bard, then be a Bard. They are arguably the best class in the game, and a Lore Bard is awesome. But a 16 Cha, and taking all those other class levels just destroys them. Why bother? And you say that the bard loses out on just TWO spells in your build. Go read up on some 8th and 9th level spells, all of them, and then remember with magic secrets at level 18, the bard can pick from any of them to add to his known spells. Oh hey, my bard knows Wish. You can give up a single level and really not miss out on much. 2 levels means you lose an attribute/feat. 6 levels? and 16 Cha? Why bother to even take bard? If you want to be a fighting bard, go Valor Bard and just wear Studded Leather.</p><p></p><p>Frankly, based on your current party makeup, stick with Lore Bard, just that. You'll be a huge asset to the team, can save your unarmored spear fighter for another campaign, and still be the smarmy, skill based James Bond while letting the actual close quarters combat types be up front doing the fighting. See this thread for suggestions on Lore Bard building:</p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/showthread.php?363601-Bardic-Lore-A-Basic-College-of-Lore-Bard-Guide" target="_blank">http://www.enworld.org/forum/showthread.php?363601-Bardic-Lore-A-Basic-College-of-Lore-Bard-Guide</a></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="travathian, post: 6568905, member: 12105"] I think you need to focus your character more. A Lore Bard is not designed to be a front line fighter. James Bond is not a Avenging Paladin wielding a spear. Do you want to be James Bond or do you want to be Balsa? James Bond is not an unarmored fighting machine, he is a make believe character whose fights are choreographed, and since he is the hero, he almost always wins them. Same thing with Balsa, protagonists don't lose, so trying to mimic them is kinda silly. Trying to combine them both in 5E dilutes them both and you end up with a character that can do a lot of stuff poorly. The only thing your character is good at is not getting hit. If you want to be Balsa with subtle shades of James Bond, go Monk. Just Monk. Then use the Criminal background (spy option) or Charlatan, pick 2 from Insight, Acrobatics, and Stealth for your Monk skills, grab the Actor feat and just put some points into Charisma and [b]play[/b] your character like James Bond. Your character sheet doesn't need to have a bunch of feats/skills/abilities for you to roleplay like him. If you want to be a Bard, then be a Bard. They are arguably the best class in the game, and a Lore Bard is awesome. But a 16 Cha, and taking all those other class levels just destroys them. Why bother? And you say that the bard loses out on just TWO spells in your build. Go read up on some 8th and 9th level spells, all of them, and then remember with magic secrets at level 18, the bard can pick from any of them to add to his known spells. Oh hey, my bard knows Wish. You can give up a single level and really not miss out on much. 2 levels means you lose an attribute/feat. 6 levels? and 16 Cha? Why bother to even take bard? If you want to be a fighting bard, go Valor Bard and just wear Studded Leather. Frankly, based on your current party makeup, stick with Lore Bard, just that. You'll be a huge asset to the team, can save your unarmored spear fighter for another campaign, and still be the smarmy, skill based James Bond while letting the actual close quarters combat types be up front doing the fighting. See this thread for suggestions on Lore Bard building: [url]http://www.enworld.org/forum/showthread.php?363601-Bardic-Lore-A-Basic-College-of-Lore-Bard-Guide[/url] [/QUOTE]
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