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<blockquote data-quote="IceFractal" data-source="post: 4982774" data-attributes="member: 27704">For all those claiming it's a balance issue - that people are getting something for nothing and cheating the system - consider this.&nbsp; In D&amp;D, and many other systems, if Intelligence is enforced as a limitation to player volition, you have the following options:1) Play a warrior with low Int, and never get to solve puzzles, use fancy tactics, or do anything &quot;smart&quot;.2) Play a warrior with high Int, have lower physical stats, and be mechanically less effective.3) Play a wizard with high Int, be mechanically effective, and solve all the puzzles you want.That isn't &quot;balance&quot;, it's practically the opposite!&nbsp; If the physical stats don't control player volition, neither should the mental ones.&nbsp; You're not &quot;stopping the evil powergamers&quot;, you're just saying &quot;Hey everybody, go play a Wizard!&quot;And no, being poor at bending bars or balancing on a beam isn't the equivalent of not being able to use a plan because you're &quot;too dumb&quot;.&nbsp; The equivalent of mechanical penalties is ... mechanical penalties.&nbsp; Which most systems already have.&nbsp; Things like less skill points, bad perception rolls, being worse at a number of skills.&nbsp; You don't need to &quot;double charge&quot; for low mental stats.And also, 8 Int is not a fricken moron.&nbsp; Some people see &quot;8 Int&quot; and they think &quot;Thog smash!&nbsp; Thog not use tactics!&nbsp; Thog not avoid obviously trapped door!&quot;&nbsp; Give it a rest.&nbsp; Even wolves use flanking and they have Int 2!</blockquote>

[QUOTE="IceFractal, post: 4982774, member: 27704"] For all those claiming it's a balance issue - that people are getting something for nothing and cheating the system - consider this. In D&D, and many other systems, if Intelligence is enforced as a limitation to player volition, you have the following options: 1) Play a warrior with low Int, and never get to solve puzzles, use fancy tactics, or do anything "smart". 2) Play a warrior with high Int, have lower physical stats, and be mechanically less effective. 3) Play a wizard with high Int, be mechanically effective, and solve all the puzzles you want. That isn't "balance", it's practically the opposite! If the physical stats don't control player volition, neither should the mental ones. You're not "stopping the evil powergamers", you're just saying "Hey everybody, go play a Wizard!" And no, being poor at bending bars or balancing on a beam isn't the equivalent of not being able to use a plan because you're "too dumb". The equivalent of mechanical penalties is ... mechanical penalties. Which most systems already have. Things like less skill points, bad perception rolls, being worse at a number of skills. You don't need to "double charge" for low mental stats. And also, 8 Int is not a fricken moron. Some people see "8 Int" and they think "Thog smash! Thog not use tactics! Thog not avoid obviously trapped door!" Give it a rest. Even wolves use flanking and they have Int 2! [/QUOTE]

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