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<blockquote data-quote="Nai_Calus" data-source="post: 4983934" data-attributes="member: 79670"><p>I gave a couple of examples in the very post you quoted - There are plenty of concepts that just plain aren't supported by the way attributes are with their all or nothing setup. </p><p></p><p>No idiot savants, no perceptive but unable to read others people, no people who know exactly how to act in public but are completely loathesome in private. Rules don't support it. So sod them. Less worrying about if you're properly roleplaing 4/8/14/18/whatever INT/WIS/CHA, more worrying about if your character would pass muster as an actual being with actual flaws and strengths that don't involve being utterly perfect or utterly terrible in all aspects of one arbitrary category. Much of what is lumped into WIS I strongly disagree with it all being in there; same with CHA and INT. True, nobody wants a dozen mental attributes, but still.</p><p></p><p>I'd like to see them re-purposed/eliminated in favour of something more useful. Instead of INT you buy/roll for an attribute that determines your book learning and your wizard spellcasting ability. Instead of WIS you get an attribute that determines your resistance to magic and your cleric/druid spellcasting ability. Instead of CHA you get an attribute that determines your social standing and your ability to get people to work for you as well as your Bard/Sorceror spellcasting ability. Your ability to percieve things is divorced from WIS and thrown into a stat/a skill to be bought. </p><p></p><p>Divorce personality from it entirely, divorce social skills from it entirely and have those rely solely on how much you've bought into them. So you can be an antisocial jerk who can, if he needs to, dazzle everyone around him with his charm, as well as being blindingly brilliant but refuses to ever study anything, reads people like books but can't find his glasses to save his life, without worrying about 'uh wait what the hell do I do for stats for that am I doing it wrong if I give him high CHA but then play him like he has none uh...'</p><p></p><p>tl;dr INT/WIS/CHA do not even remotely accurately reflect personality and should not be the determining factor in such.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Nai_Calus, post: 4983934, member: 79670"] I gave a couple of examples in the very post you quoted - There are plenty of concepts that just plain aren't supported by the way attributes are with their all or nothing setup. No idiot savants, no perceptive but unable to read others people, no people who know exactly how to act in public but are completely loathesome in private. Rules don't support it. So sod them. Less worrying about if you're properly roleplaing 4/8/14/18/whatever INT/WIS/CHA, more worrying about if your character would pass muster as an actual being with actual flaws and strengths that don't involve being utterly perfect or utterly terrible in all aspects of one arbitrary category. Much of what is lumped into WIS I strongly disagree with it all being in there; same with CHA and INT. True, nobody wants a dozen mental attributes, but still. I'd like to see them re-purposed/eliminated in favour of something more useful. Instead of INT you buy/roll for an attribute that determines your book learning and your wizard spellcasting ability. Instead of WIS you get an attribute that determines your resistance to magic and your cleric/druid spellcasting ability. Instead of CHA you get an attribute that determines your social standing and your ability to get people to work for you as well as your Bard/Sorceror spellcasting ability. Your ability to percieve things is divorced from WIS and thrown into a stat/a skill to be bought. Divorce personality from it entirely, divorce social skills from it entirely and have those rely solely on how much you've bought into them. So you can be an antisocial jerk who can, if he needs to, dazzle everyone around him with his charm, as well as being blindingly brilliant but refuses to ever study anything, reads people like books but can't find his glasses to save his life, without worrying about 'uh wait what the hell do I do for stats for that am I doing it wrong if I give him high CHA but then play him like he has none uh...' tl;dr INT/WIS/CHA do not even remotely accurately reflect personality and should not be the determining factor in such. [/QUOTE]
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