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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 4985053" data-attributes="member: 4937">Seriously, it sounds like you had a really crappy DM and are blaming the game for it.It should be quite obvious that expert was chosen simply as a generic class.  The same build could easily apply to a variety of classes.Wait a minute.  You claimed that certain character types couldn't be created.  I just set out to show that they could, which evidently I did, because you aren't claiming here that I didn't.  You didn't say anything about certain character types being suboptimal.  If you ask me to make an idiot savant, pretty much by definition you are asking for a suboptimal character because of that 'idiot' clause.  You can't make an idiot savant who isn't at least a little suboptimal in GURPS for crying out loud with a full point buy system and more options than the game really requires, becuase INT is such a huge stat that you generally do not dump INT ever if you are min/maxing.  Wait a minute.  If you were all relatively the same power level, how can you say you were pathetically awful?  Surely if you were all the same power level, you were then still some of the most powerful mortals in the campaign world?  Because if you weren't, then the problem is the DM - not the game system.  I'm guessing that the problem is that the DM didn't readjust the power level and challenges to deal with a party of 3 low powered character concepts.  That's a DMing issue, not a game issue.  The DM is primarily responcible for challenge balance - not the game.   Well, it isn't really in the real world either, so I'm not entirely sure about the 'thematically appropriate' part, but on the other hand twf is not completely useless particularly if you bring in some 3rd party feats.No one was suggesting you play an expert, much less one that was 3rd level (as if you level was never going to change).  I was just merely showing you how to build characters of a certain type.  The same ideas could be applied to any class that had access to the skills.This tells me alot about the sort of games you've been playing, and I do feel sorry for you.And this tells me even more, and the recount of your bad experiences just goes on and on and I'm very sympathetic.   But seriously, stop blaming a game system for a bad DM.  No game system survives a bad DM, and that's particularly true of game systems built with 'advanced' highly granular rules and lots of assumed system mastery on the part of all participants. Look, you are clearly angry and have a grudge, and maybe you have a right to that grudge, but drop the grudge when you come into a thread and stop letting your feelings do all the talking.My hyperbole?</blockquote>

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