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<blockquote data-quote="pming" data-source="post: 6719980" data-attributes="member: 45197"><p>Hiya!</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>The 30 year old soldier is, lets say, the equivalent of a "Guard" in the MM. That guard would likely be able to kill a half-dozen men before he went down himself (re: kill commoners). If that Guard is a PC and becomes a 1st level fighter after the "Commoner Uprising of 1215 TC" and finds himself in the presence of other 1st level PC's...well, he is now even <em>better</em> than a 30 year old soldier/guard. He has more HP's, he has HD to 'spend' on healing, he has special abilities as a fighter... the most important one being that he <em>can advance in levels as an actual Fighter</em>.</p><p></p><p>For your next game session, have everyone play Commoners from the back of the MM. Now take those commoners, with common equipment, and go adventure in the Mines of Phandelver (the first "goblin caves" will do). See how long you all last. Now do it with 1st level PC's. See how long they last. Now come back and tell us how "unheroic" the 1st level PC's were compared to the Commoners. Hell, you can even take the Guard in stead of Commoner and do it. I'd still bet coppers to platinum that the "noob 1st level characters" will fair <em>significantly</em> better than the group of Guards and Commoners. <em>That</em> should be your base line; not looking at orcs, ogres, minotaurs and 6th, 10th or 17th level characters, and then looking at a 1st level Fighter.</p><p></p><p>^_^</p><p></p><p>Paul L. Ming</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="pming, post: 6719980, member: 45197"] Hiya! The 30 year old soldier is, lets say, the equivalent of a "Guard" in the MM. That guard would likely be able to kill a half-dozen men before he went down himself (re: kill commoners). If that Guard is a PC and becomes a 1st level fighter after the "Commoner Uprising of 1215 TC" and finds himself in the presence of other 1st level PC's...well, he is now even [I]better[/I] than a 30 year old soldier/guard. He has more HP's, he has HD to 'spend' on healing, he has special abilities as a fighter... the most important one being that he [I]can advance in levels as an actual Fighter[/I]. For your next game session, have everyone play Commoners from the back of the MM. Now take those commoners, with common equipment, and go adventure in the Mines of Phandelver (the first "goblin caves" will do). See how long you all last. Now do it with 1st level PC's. See how long they last. Now come back and tell us how "unheroic" the 1st level PC's were compared to the Commoners. Hell, you can even take the Guard in stead of Commoner and do it. I'd still bet coppers to platinum that the "noob 1st level characters" will fair [I]significantly[/I] better than the group of Guards and Commoners. [I]That[/I] should be your base line; not looking at orcs, ogres, minotaurs and 6th, 10th or 17th level characters, and then looking at a 1st level Fighter. ^_^ Paul L. Ming [/QUOTE]
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