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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Wyvernhand" data-source="post: 5409090" data-attributes="member: 97681">Wow dude, you are being unnecessarily argumentative...nobody's said that its ALWAYS a bad idea.  I even said, if your DM bans PrCs or multiclassing, its a decent way to go.  If you are PrCing heavily, you lose a lot more than you gain though.  As I said, in a typical Sorcadin build (Pal2/Sorc4/Spellsword1/AbjChamp5/SacEx8), you only have 4 levels of Sorc.  The difference between the d8 and the d4, on average, gives you 2 HP per level, for 4 levels, resulting in 8 extra HP.  Thats not even one hit's difference at level 3-4.  Considering most of your HP comes from Con and temp HP like False Life or Minor Shapeshift or a well timed Vampiric Touch from your spellstoring weapon.  Also, you gain a total of 1 more BAB.  Converted to Power Attack, thats ~2 extra damage per hit, with slightly earlier access to your next iterative. Contrast with what you lose.  You lose 9 spells known.  9!!!!!!  Considering you only get 3 total known for the higher levels, that knocks you down to 2 each.  That really hurts.  That might be the difference between knowing the Heart of X line (which give you full fortification and a bunch of other benefits) and not.  Negating one crit due to fortification pays off those 8 HP really quick.  I mean, the whole point of playing a gish is to have spells, and using those spells to augement your combat abilities.  This is intentionally disarming yourself for negligable benefits. And if you do get stuck in a dead magic field, the difference between 14 AC and 18 AC (Mith Chain Shirt vs Mith Fullplate) is negligable.  Anything with a +16 AB or higher is still gonna hit you most of the time.  Not to mention that you've spent an extra ~9000g (equal to +2 Con, +2 Cha, and +1 Resistance items together) and a WHOLE FEAT for that extra +4 AC.  Thats a pretty bad trade for the 99% of the time you WON'T be in a dead magic area.  If your DM makes you adventure in a dead magic area all the time, you might want to reconsider playing a gish. Nobody's saying that Battle Sorc is always a bad option, but in most cases, especially where you'll be PrCing out, it is a bad choice that lowers your options, versatility, and daily staying power.  It has its place, but in a Sorcadin build is not one of them, and a Sorcadin build is what I was recommending.</blockquote>

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