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Message: <blockquote data-quote="squibbles" data-source="post: 8249190" data-attributes="member: 6937590">So, if you started with fighter, specialist, magic user + setting thematic classes, I think the class-subclass mechanics could do a lot of work there. They got the fighter and monk, for example, exactly backwards. The fighter is super generic and becomes more generic still by having all of its power in the base class (extra attack) and, thus, no room in the subclass for character defining features. The monk is on the other hand is thematically dense in its base class, but gets its level 11 power spike as a subclass feature--rendering many subclasses relatively weak (as the forum loves discussing) and layering a lot extra theme into an already deep one.So give the generic fighter chassis a subclass at 11, and give those Knight, Mineguard, and Swordmaster subclasses seriously consequential features at that level.For the narrower classes, the paladin is the exemplar. Its base class is complete by itself, and the subclasses only add character around the edges. The monk and the ranger would be way better that way.Well first, thanks  <img class="smilie smilie--emoji" alt="😄" src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f604.png" title="Grinning face with smiling eyes    :smile:" data-shortname=":smile:" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" />And second, I'm not claiming that the fighter cannot have setting ties--absolutely it can. I'm claiming that none are implied by its base class features. Maybe some sidebar text saying "in XYZ world, fighters are found in _______ knightly order, and _______ mercenary company, and ________ national defense force, and _______ secret paramilitary society, etc., etc." is all you're after?I think there's room for that to be a different set of _______'s for every different XYZ world.For way of the elements monks, on the other hand, I think the flavor is specific enough that the designers ought to commit to an explanation of what their deal is and build some reasonable support structure... I absolutely DO NOT WANT an effing firebender to be kicking Strahd's tookus without some guard rails to help me stagger through the cognitive dissonance.</blockquote>

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