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<blockquote data-quote="Steampunkette" data-source="post: 8249475" data-attributes="member: 6796468">Try it the other way around, TwoSix.You're a Sorcerer mechanically, and a Cleric Narratively. That's what I'm trying to express. The out of character mechanics are Sorcerer, the in-character conceit (and the way people talk to you and treat you within the setting) is Cleric/Priest/Cultist.YES! Absolutely!I'd like to add that while Eberron was 3e in format and design, 3.5e was D&amp;D trying to be Eberron. Trying to be -more- like the way it fit that world, to mold to it even more closely.Maybe every setting needs to let go of the &quot;Bring Everything In&quot; identity of D&amp;D and instead say &quot;Incorporate Everything in the Given World&quot;Like in a world with no sorcerers -narratively- say that both Sorcerers and Wizards are available for play, but are interchangeably called &quot;Mage&quot; and don't have the Bloodline fantasy tied to them so much as a particular direction of magical understanding, or something.I think that would go a long way to making things work. And I think LevelUp's classes (Particularly the Ranger) will make a great impact on that in the future, since Rangers will again be Hunters and Nature-Dwelling Warriors instead of &quot;Druid-Warriors&quot;</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Steampunkette, post: 8249475, member: 6796468"] Try it the other way around, TwoSix. You're a Sorcerer mechanically, and a Cleric Narratively. That's what I'm trying to express. The out of character mechanics are Sorcerer, the in-character conceit (and the way people talk to you and treat you within the setting) is Cleric/Priest/Cultist. YES! Absolutely! I'd like to add that while Eberron was 3e in format and design, 3.5e was D&D trying to be Eberron. Trying to be -more- like the way it fit that world, to mold to it even more closely. Maybe every setting needs to let go of the "Bring Everything In" identity of D&D and instead say "Incorporate Everything in the Given World" Like in a world with no sorcerers -narratively- say that both Sorcerers and Wizards are available for play, but are interchangeably called "Mage" and don't have the Bloodline fantasy tied to them so much as a particular direction of magical understanding, or something. I think that would go a long way to making things work. And I think LevelUp's classes (Particularly the Ranger) will make a great impact on that in the future, since Rangers will again be Hunters and Nature-Dwelling Warriors instead of "Druid-Warriors" [/QUOTE]

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