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<blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 8252455" data-attributes="member: 18">&quot;to a greater or lesser degree&quot; is doing a huge amount of work there, mate!The issue with D&amp;D is that the medium is extremely peculiar and distinctive and has serious limitations. The same is true for ED of course.As for your &quot;you couldn't do X with Earthdawn&quot;, you can't do Dark Sun with 5E either. You can't even come close. It's totally unsupported. You'd have a to build a setting that was like DS but wasn't - same as ED. And you're talking about D&amp;D settings in particular which doesn't at all support your &quot;broad range&quot; of fantasy point. Eberron doesn't work great with 5E - it works far worse than with 3.XE (or even 4E, arguably). You'd have far less trouble running the FR or Eberron with ED than you would DS with 5E, I'd say (though ED also couldn't handle DS). And those are settings specifically designed for a different game.Could 5E do Barsaive convincingly? No, not without a huge amount of extra rules (as ED could benefit from to do Eberron say).Horror points aren't particularly peculiar in the context of fantasy as a genre. I totally disagree that anything at all in ED has &quot;more implications than Vancian magic&quot; though (&quot;as many&quot; maybe, but that's my point). I just outright reject that. Vancian magic is hard-incompatible with the vast majority of fantasy fiction. The lack of a &quot;flowing&quot; magic system at all is an absolutely gigantic issue. Fundamentally you can't even represent most fantasy settings because of that.Hit Points have endless and huge implications which seriously limit the range of fantasy D&amp;D can actually do, too. I know people like to put different hats on D&amp;D, but that's what's happening in most cases, and claiming D&amp;D is &quot;generic fantasy&quot; is just laughable.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Ruin Explorer, post: 8252455, member: 18"] "to a greater or lesser degree" is doing a huge amount of work there, mate! The issue with D&D is that the medium is extremely peculiar and distinctive and has serious limitations. The same is true for ED of course. As for your "you couldn't do X with Earthdawn", you can't do Dark Sun with 5E either. You can't even come close. It's totally unsupported. You'd have a to build a setting that was like DS but wasn't - same as ED. And you're talking about D&D settings in particular which doesn't at all support your "broad range" of fantasy point. Eberron doesn't work great with 5E - it works far worse than with 3.XE (or even 4E, arguably). You'd have far less trouble running the FR or Eberron with ED than you would DS with 5E, I'd say (though ED also couldn't handle DS). And those are settings specifically designed for a different game. Could 5E do Barsaive convincingly? No, not without a huge amount of extra rules (as ED could benefit from to do Eberron say). Horror points aren't particularly peculiar in the context of fantasy as a genre. I totally disagree that anything at all in ED has "more implications than Vancian magic" though ("as many" maybe, but that's my point). I just outright reject that. Vancian magic is hard-incompatible with the [I]vast[/I] majority of fantasy fiction. The lack of a "flowing" magic system at all is an absolutely gigantic issue. Fundamentally you can't even represent most fantasy settings because of that. Hit Points have endless and huge implications which seriously limit the range of fantasy D&D can actually do, too. I know people like to put different hats on D&D, but that's what's happening in most cases, and claiming D&D is "generic fantasy" is just laughable. [/QUOTE]

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