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Message: <blockquote data-quote="MyISPHatesENWorld" data-source="post: 4202461" data-attributes="member: 65684">Actually, I would posit that the best way to help them is to try to understand what they're trying to do and why and use everything you know about the game to help them do that rather than making a false assumption about the sticking point they're having.Taking the hypothetical *cough* guy who is supposed to be stuck on the mechanical detail of using sneak attack with the greatsword.One could make a suggestion that he use ranger instead, and if he doesn't like the feel and/or mechanics of ranger, but really likes the feel and mechanics of rogue, one could get hung up on the mechanical detail that Hunters Quarry would work on a greatsword and decide he should abandon his concept. Or, one could look at what makes a rogue different from a ranger such as the fact that the rogue is an opportunistic combatant. You could then look at the build he has that he is almost happy with and see that there are three feats and three problems. You could look at two problems, say no 'at will' greatsword powers and no proficiency with greatsword and say maybe a feat for proficiency and another feat for a bonus or effect in combination with the higher base damage of the greatsword will get you the equivalent of an at will attack of a rogue with a lighter weapon and your standard opportunity attacks will be better. For the remaining problem, getting the greatsword to work with rogue class abilities and attack powers, one could say, hey that might not be workable, at least not at the release of the PHB. If it isn't, you have a good number of powers filled between your fighter powers and utility powers. If you look at what you're trying to do, be opportunistic, you could use shuriken, with which you have a higher base damage die or a thrown dagger that you get an attack bonus with when you get a combat advantage. Word on he street is that rogues are really effective using misslile weapons in 4e, and that adds a lot of diversity to your build, giving you a powerful short ranged (or maybe even Close for some powers) attack to go with whacking things with your greatsword. In 3.5, you could hold a two-handed weapon in one hand and throw with the other and that probably hasn't changed, and as iterative attacks are gone, you wouldn't necessarily need a feat to get a lot of use from thrown weapons, though one might be useful to avoid needing a minor action to draw a shuriken or dagger if that's necessary or maybe a feat to avoid drawing an opportunity attack or something.And, the grateful player could give the provider of such an idea a virtual hug, awash in happy memories of occasionally firing off three darts back in 1e (and later more darts for the version of the character that had machine-gun-dart specialization from Unearthed Arcana and the specialization was grandfathered for his multiclass character after the errata was printed in Dragon.And maybe that doesn't work either, but it is at least an attempt to help the player get the character they want to play rather than telling them what they should play.</blockquote>

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