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<blockquote data-quote="ryryguy" data-source="post: 4203317" data-attributes="member: 64945">Indeed, of all the roles from 4e, defender is the one probably least/most poorly represented in 3.X.&nbsp; Even for fighters there was not much to make them &quot;sticky&quot;.Indeed, this monk is generally at a statistical disadvantage when he tries to grapple.&nbsp; He does have a good strength score and the improved grapple feat, but often tries to grapple large creatures that also have high strengths, so his grapple modifier is frequently 5 or more below his opponent.&nbsp; Still, it's great imagery when he tries to grapple a dire bear or whatever, and he seems to have decent luck on these rolls.Actually I imagine there could probably be a very good grapple-ish defender power in 4e, possibly combined with marking or possibly not.In the end, for this guy 4e fighter might be made to work, so long as there's some way to incorporate the unarmed/unarmored aspect.&nbsp; That is pretty key to his concept.&nbsp; Having &quot;monk&quot; written at the top of his sheet, or some of the other weird monk powers, are not so important to him, I think.Well, we'll see.&nbsp; The campaign will be going on hiatus for a while anyhow.&nbsp; When the time comes to convert, a variety of material beyond the original core may be available.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="ryryguy, post: 4203317, member: 64945"] Indeed, of all the roles from 4e, defender is the one probably least/most poorly represented in 3.X. Even for fighters there was not much to make them "sticky". Indeed, this monk is generally at a statistical disadvantage when he tries to grapple. He does have a good strength score and the improved grapple feat, but often tries to grapple large creatures that also have high strengths, so his grapple modifier is frequently 5 or more below his opponent. Still, it's great imagery when he tries to grapple a dire bear or whatever, and he seems to have decent luck on these rolls. Actually I imagine there could probably be a very good grapple-ish defender power in 4e, possibly combined with marking or possibly not. In the end, for this guy 4e fighter might be made to work, so long as there's some way to incorporate the unarmed/unarmored aspect. That is pretty key to his concept. Having "monk" written at the top of his sheet, or some of the other weird monk powers, are not so important to him, I think. Well, we'll see. The campaign will be going on hiatus for a while anyhow. When the time comes to convert, a variety of material beyond the original core may be available. [/QUOTE]

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