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<blockquote data-quote="PrecociousApprentice" data-source="post: 4205523" data-attributes="member: 61449"><p>Dude, I am not sure what happened to make you want to rain on a perfectly good parade, but you seem so intent on it that you have lost all perspective on the original meaning of the thread. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>So at no point did I ever state that a perfect interpretation of any character from any source was possible, or that every interpretation of every character would be satisfying for everyone. The thread title says it all, with a little reading comprehention added in to get the implied but left out meaning. The intent was to help those who will have to wait for the official class for their pet character to be realeased by WotC to have a satisfactory time playing a reinterpretation of the character that they had played in a previous edition of D&D with the rules available. (I doubt that all people will be satisfied with WotC's reinterpretation of their pet class either, so I am not sure why my suggestions have to be perfect either.) I added to that the idea that 4e would be easier relative to other games to interpret a great deal of other fantasy characters. This was all stated in what I will admit was somewhat obtuse manner, but I had wrongly assumed that all persons that were into D&D enough to be on a message board posting about it would be able to mine the text for the meaning intended, and not conflate the position taken to rediculous levels. I was wrong. I originally took a position that I knew was vulnerable, and in so doing asked for a little bit of leaway so as to have a productive discourse on an issue that I had seen in several other threads as side-track dialogue. If you don't want to, please don't.</p><p></p><p>In the end, I still feel that my OP was valid. I did not state that loss of all characteristics would be OK. I stated that there are many ways of mechanically interpreting a character, and that the rules will likely provide for conversion from the get go that are perfectly viable interpretations. I also did not state that system does not matter. It does. What I was getting at was that if you have a character that you want to convert to 4e, then it was possible with a little creativity and some flexibility, despite the fact that there will not be a 1 to 1 mapping of old mechanic to new mechanic. I assumed that if one wanted to "convert" a character, that one would be going from one edition of D&D to another, and this would be pretty easy. I expanded this to include the idea that my opinion is that 4e would be better at simulating other fantasy characters than any game I know, with points to back this up. There are areas of 4e game mechanics that are unknowns, like the amount of enchantment and illusion effects in the PHB1 or the nature of rituals and what all tropes they will cover, and these are serious holes in my premise, but I admitted these up front. No dishonesty. Really, I find it hard to understand why I am the target of your animosity. My optimism for the new system is transparent, my premise's vulnerabilities admitted, and since this is not a contract, I did not feel the need to have my lawyer look over what I had writen before I posted it. That being said, I will now go to edit my original post to better reflect your preferences for verbiage.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="PrecociousApprentice, post: 4205523, member: 61449"] Dude, I am not sure what happened to make you want to rain on a perfectly good parade, but you seem so intent on it that you have lost all perspective on the original meaning of the thread. So at no point did I ever state that a perfect interpretation of any character from any source was possible, or that every interpretation of every character would be satisfying for everyone. The thread title says it all, with a little reading comprehention added in to get the implied but left out meaning. The intent was to help those who will have to wait for the official class for their pet character to be realeased by WotC to have a satisfactory time playing a reinterpretation of the character that they had played in a previous edition of D&D with the rules available. (I doubt that all people will be satisfied with WotC's reinterpretation of their pet class either, so I am not sure why my suggestions have to be perfect either.) I added to that the idea that 4e would be easier relative to other games to interpret a great deal of other fantasy characters. This was all stated in what I will admit was somewhat obtuse manner, but I had wrongly assumed that all persons that were into D&D enough to be on a message board posting about it would be able to mine the text for the meaning intended, and not conflate the position taken to rediculous levels. I was wrong. I originally took a position that I knew was vulnerable, and in so doing asked for a little bit of leaway so as to have a productive discourse on an issue that I had seen in several other threads as side-track dialogue. If you don't want to, please don't. In the end, I still feel that my OP was valid. I did not state that loss of all characteristics would be OK. I stated that there are many ways of mechanically interpreting a character, and that the rules will likely provide for conversion from the get go that are perfectly viable interpretations. I also did not state that system does not matter. It does. What I was getting at was that if you have a character that you want to convert to 4e, then it was possible with a little creativity and some flexibility, despite the fact that there will not be a 1 to 1 mapping of old mechanic to new mechanic. I assumed that if one wanted to "convert" a character, that one would be going from one edition of D&D to another, and this would be pretty easy. I expanded this to include the idea that my opinion is that 4e would be better at simulating other fantasy characters than any game I know, with points to back this up. There are areas of 4e game mechanics that are unknowns, like the amount of enchantment and illusion effects in the PHB1 or the nature of rituals and what all tropes they will cover, and these are serious holes in my premise, but I admitted these up front. No dishonesty. Really, I find it hard to understand why I am the target of your animosity. My optimism for the new system is transparent, my premise's vulnerabilities admitted, and since this is not a contract, I did not feel the need to have my lawyer look over what I had writen before I posted it. That being said, I will now go to edit my original post to better reflect your preferences for verbiage. [/QUOTE]
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