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<blockquote data-quote="Mattachine" data-source="post: 5852288" data-attributes="member: 6678226">Your story brings back memories of rolling for stats in my AD&amp;D groups over the years. We started with 4d6, but so often, a player simply wouldn't make a PC with stats that weren't good enough. Initially, I would say, &quot;Too bad, that's the rules.&quot; Soon enough, that PC would be dead, intentionally, and the player would try again. After that happened a few times, I allowed rerolls, then changed the rolls to make higher stats easier, and then, in the end, simply offered a stat array for all PCs (with some horse-trading to get a 17 or 18 in a stat). In a sense, I came to point buy on my own . . . Anyway, I think that your experiences with optimization, for character concept or for min/max power, happen no matter how stats are determined. Ask people how they made characters for the Baldur's Gate computer games. For everyone that thinks die rolling is best for one preferred style, another person will say point buy can do the same thing, and vice versa.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Mattachine, post: 5852288, member: 6678226"] Your story brings back memories of rolling for stats in my AD&D groups over the years. We started with 4d6, but so often, a player simply wouldn't make a PC with stats that weren't good enough. Initially, I would say, "Too bad, that's the rules." Soon enough, that PC would be dead, intentionally, and the player would try again. After that happened a few times, I allowed rerolls, then changed the rolls to make higher stats easier, and then, in the end, simply offered a stat array for all PCs (with some horse-trading to get a 17 or 18 in a stat). In a sense, I came to point buy on my own . . . Anyway, I think that your experiences with optimization, for character concept or for min/max power, happen no matter how stats are determined. Ask people how they made characters for the Baldur's Gate computer games. For everyone that thinks die rolling is best for one preferred style, another person will say point buy can do the same thing, and vice versa. [/QUOTE]

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