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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Sunseeker" data-source="post: 5852319">I never used point-buy and only rolled stats in both the 4e games I played and ran.  I've always felt there was a strong incentive to optimize, but that might be the groups I've played around.My second-favorite system has always been an "array", they usually offer good scores and do a good job representing how you conceptualize your character with various strengths and weaknesses.  On that note, I would love it if there was some way to work "weaknesses" into the game.  Either by giving you more points to spend, extra feats, utility powers, something small but still useful and flavorful.  Encourage players to make well-rounded characters and I think we'd see a move away from min-maxing and optimization as the norm.  Not that a well-rounded, flavorful character can't also be optimized, but still.</blockquote>