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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Mannahnin" data-source="post: 8532103" data-attributes="member: 7026594">I'm re-quoting to bring the context back in so what's being replied to is visible.I don't know, man.  I'm not importing any prior discussions.  I think the point here is that prior communication and establishing expectations and boundaries beforehand is helpful.  If the DM or the player comes up with a plot or character concept first, and the other is aware of it, than yeah, it's not ideal to then create something which will combine with what's already been created to create intra-party conflict, or make a scenario unresolvable.  If the DM says beforehand "Hey, I'm not including Dragonborn, or Clerics, or (whatever) in this world as a character option", that's generally understood as their right to do, although of course the players have the right not to play or to attempt to negotiate the boundary.I think you were at best being uncharitable to describe the hypothetical character of Max's as a deliberately-chosen wangrod character.  I don't think it's a wangrod character at all.  It's a concept that's broadly compatible with most games.  It just happened to conflict with the specific scenario, and we don't know which came first.  In the situation Max described, he was unaware of the scenario when he designed and started playing the character.  We don't know whether the DM was unaware of Max's character's principles on this issue and overlooked the potential conflict, or whether he WAS aware and looked forward to it creating dramatic tension, or some other possibility.I'm aware that there's a greater burden of work on the DM, and personally would hope that players would be somewhat flexible in respect of the fact that we don't want the DM to have to ditch a bunch of writing and design work in deference to one player's character concept, but on the other hand, I think more interesting and fun games tend to result when character concepts complicate "optimal" problem solving.And Max DID say that if there were three possible appropriate responses he could envision for the character, he'd go with the least disruptive option.Yes, you're confused.  The latter half of my post was a response to the quoted remarks by Lanefan, critical of Umbran.</blockquote>

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