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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Brother MacLaren" data-source="post: 1599199" data-attributes="member: 15999">I've thought a lot about this, and generally agree with the original poster.  Your typical foot soldier is a level 1 Warrior, ability scores on straight 3d6, and rolling for hit points at first level.  Compare this to a level 1 PC fighter.  The difference is about as great as that between the "Normal Man" and level 1 fighter was in BD&D, so it's not surprising that even then a 1st-level fighter was a Veteran.By level 3, the fighter is a match for an ogre (as far as CR goes).  Not "rookie" by any means at that point.Levels 1-4: Competent, regarded as skilled by those in their town.  Tougher than ordinary guardsmen, thugs, and bandits. Levels 5-8: Heroes at the regional level.  Impressive, but still recognizably human.  Eddie and Susannah Dean in "The Waste Lands."Levels 9-12: Among a kingdom's greatest heroes, reaching into legendary territory (11+).  Occasionally demonstrate skill or toughness that is apparently superhuman (think Gimli, Legolas, Boromir).Levels 13-16: Among the world's greatest living heroes, quite clearly legends (of a status comparable to Aragorn, Perseus, or Roland of Gilead).Levels 17-20: The greatest heroes who have ever lived (of a status comparable to Achilles, Hercules, Gilgamesh, or Sinbad), and among the most powerful living beings of any kind at that time.Levels 21+: godsObviously, my experience is shaped by lots of low-level play and being just astounded at what a level 7 character can do.  It is also shaped by the assumption left over from earlier editions that "Normal Humans" gain levels slowly or not at all.  I don't believe in level 20 commoners, regardless of what the DMG demographics say.</blockquote>

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