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<blockquote data-quote="Marandahir" data-source="post: 8756655" data-attributes="member: 6803643"><p>Ahh I see now what you mean. I'd suggest that that fear should be alleviated from the publication of past statistics of how many responses they've gotten, and that the vast majority of those people are just playing the game and enjoying what they get, not arguing about things online or getting influenced by posters or YTers saying "this sucks!" or "this is awesome!" - they heard about the playtest, downloaded it, played it, and now will respond to the survey. </p><p></p><p></p><p>Despite that, a Balor-full of 4e materials made it through D&D Next and into 5e. It's not the same game, nor is it presented the same way, but there's almost as much of an influence from 4e as there is from 3e in the 2014 rules. I wouldn't worry too much about how some vocal minority are talking. </p><p></p><p></p><p>Glad we're on the same page. This isn't Democracy in action, but it IS a chance to impact and influence the direction of the 2024 rules, and making your voice heard by the Devs in the surveys is the biggest thing you can do to influence the state of the game towards something you want, or away from something you don't want.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Those people threatening are being bad and inappropriate. I believe they're also threatening to break the TOS of the playtest. And if they're actively doing this to supress your voice on the issue, I'd suggest reporting them on whatever forums you're discussing, whether here or otherwise. But I'm not a MOD so don't take me word there as Enworld TOS gospel…</p><p></p><p>Regarding this 2-1 showing, that's quite representative of the make up of people who visit Enworld, actually. While almost certainly everyone registered on this forum have played a TTRPG at some point in their life, a lot of forum goers come here to talk shop because we lack suitable gaming outlets for whatever reason. We may be between gaming groups, or may have lost the time we once had to play as often, or some other reason. But we want a connection with other folks who love the game, so we come back and discuss it. Theorycrafters are not the Target Demographic of D&D, but they are a Peripheral Demographic (as people who buy the products to think about them) that sometimes overlaps with the Target audience (people who play or may be convinced to play). It's not just that we aren't a representative sample, we're the opposite of that. We're a SPECIFIC piece of the pie and any inference made from this 2-1 response (which itself is not representative of the people who post on Enworld about D&D) should not be extrapolated to all the other slices. Maybe to other forums, but not the player-base at large. The actual proportion of people who respond to the survey and people who have played it is likely to be quite different, and as others have said above, they're actually asking if you played with these options (but interestingly only specific ones presented; those are likely the only ones they actually care about whether you played or just theorycrafted or have an opinion to share about them).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Marandahir, post: 8756655, member: 6803643"] Ahh I see now what you mean. I'd suggest that that fear should be alleviated from the publication of past statistics of how many responses they've gotten, and that the vast majority of those people are just playing the game and enjoying what they get, not arguing about things online or getting influenced by posters or YTers saying "this sucks!" or "this is awesome!" - they heard about the playtest, downloaded it, played it, and now will respond to the survey. Despite that, a Balor-full of 4e materials made it through D&D Next and into 5e. It's not the same game, nor is it presented the same way, but there's almost as much of an influence from 4e as there is from 3e in the 2014 rules. I wouldn't worry too much about how some vocal minority are talking. Glad we're on the same page. This isn't Democracy in action, but it IS a chance to impact and influence the direction of the 2024 rules, and making your voice heard by the Devs in the surveys is the biggest thing you can do to influence the state of the game towards something you want, or away from something you don't want. Those people threatening are being bad and inappropriate. I believe they're also threatening to break the TOS of the playtest. And if they're actively doing this to supress your voice on the issue, I'd suggest reporting them on whatever forums you're discussing, whether here or otherwise. But I'm not a MOD so don't take me word there as Enworld TOS gospel… Regarding this 2-1 showing, that's quite representative of the make up of people who visit Enworld, actually. While almost certainly everyone registered on this forum have played a TTRPG at some point in their life, a lot of forum goers come here to talk shop because we lack suitable gaming outlets for whatever reason. We may be between gaming groups, or may have lost the time we once had to play as often, or some other reason. But we want a connection with other folks who love the game, so we come back and discuss it. Theorycrafters are not the Target Demographic of D&D, but they are a Peripheral Demographic (as people who buy the products to think about them) that sometimes overlaps with the Target audience (people who play or may be convinced to play). It's not just that we aren't a representative sample, we're the opposite of that. We're a SPECIFIC piece of the pie and any inference made from this 2-1 response (which itself is not representative of the people who post on Enworld about D&D) should not be extrapolated to all the other slices. Maybe to other forums, but not the player-base at large. The actual proportion of people who respond to the survey and people who have played it is likely to be quite different, and as others have said above, they're actually asking if you played with these options (but interestingly only specific ones presented; those are likely the only ones they actually care about whether you played or just theorycrafted or have an opinion to share about them). [/QUOTE]
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