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<blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 6412417" data-attributes="member: 2011">Awesome. I find that most players do not go down this type of rabbit hole. If they do and the DM or other players have heartburn over it, then generally a discussion suffices to curb some of the smart player doing smart things with his Barbarian.But, one person's idea of smart is another person's idea of dumb.When my wizard cast Fog Cloud, it seemed smart to me to protect the PCs. But when the foes are kobolds with pack tactics, not so smart. The kobolds still have better chances to hit the PCs then the PCs have to hit them.But in real life, sometimes asking a smart person to not be smart is like asking a dumb person to not be dumb. One might assume that it is easy, but it shows up in subtle ways because the smart person notices things automatically that average people might not.Smart player: &quot;I move my Barbarian to the right hand side of the corridor.&quot;Average player: &quot;I move my Rogue to the left hand side of the corridor.&quot;DM: &quot;A stream of liquid fire comes down the left hand side of the corridor and burns the Rogue for 23 points of damage.&quot;Average player to smart player: &quot;How did you know to move down the right hand side of the corridor?&quot;Smart player: &quot;I didn't. But when the DM described that the corridor tilted slightly to the left, I figured that any ooze or liquid or even traps might be on that side.&quot;If you've ever played with a real smart player, they just figure stuff out automatically. Watch a movie mystery with a real smart person, they often see subtle clues and figure it out way before the end of the movie. That's just how life works. I wouldn't penalize a person for playing smart.DM: &quot;Well, since the Barbarian moved down the right hand side, that is the side that the blades come out on.&quot;This type of DM behavior seems kind of lame.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="KarinsDad, post: 6412417, member: 2011"] Awesome. I find that most players do not go down this type of rabbit hole. If they do and the DM or other players have heartburn over it, then generally a discussion suffices to curb some of the smart player doing smart things with his Barbarian. But, one person's idea of smart is another person's idea of dumb. When my wizard cast Fog Cloud, it seemed smart to me to protect the PCs. But when the foes are kobolds with pack tactics, not so smart. The kobolds still have better chances to hit the PCs then the PCs have to hit them. But in real life, sometimes asking a smart person to not be smart is like asking a dumb person to not be dumb. One might assume that it is easy, but it shows up in subtle ways because the smart person notices things automatically that average people might not. Smart player: "I move my Barbarian to the right hand side of the corridor." Average player: "I move my Rogue to the left hand side of the corridor." DM: "A stream of liquid fire comes down the left hand side of the corridor and burns the Rogue for 23 points of damage." Average player to smart player: "How did you know to move down the right hand side of the corridor?" Smart player: "I didn't. But when the DM described that the corridor tilted slightly to the left, I figured that any ooze or liquid or even traps might be on that side." If you've ever played with a real smart player, they just figure stuff out automatically. Watch a movie mystery with a real smart person, they often see subtle clues and figure it out way before the end of the movie. That's just how life works. I wouldn't penalize a person for playing smart. DM: "Well, since the Barbarian moved down the right hand side, that is the side that the blades come out on." This type of DM behavior seems kind of lame. [/QUOTE]

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