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<blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 6422384" data-attributes="member: 22779">Walk me through this.&nbsp; How does the paladin gain his mount?&nbsp; What does the paladin do to initiate the quest to get the mount?&nbsp; How does the paladin know when he can do so?&nbsp; When my magic user wants a familiar, I cast Find Familiar - that's a character resource.&nbsp; What, specifically, does the paladin do?The mount quest is initiated by the player, the character has nothing to do with it.&nbsp; Heck, it's not unreasonable for a player to ask the DM if he could have a variant mount as well.&nbsp; Certainly not IME anyway.&nbsp; I've seen all sorts of mount variants.&nbsp; In 3e, I'd be able to better buy that it's a character resource - after all, there is no quest and it's a class ability to summon a mount from somewhere else.&nbsp; The whole &quot;pokemount&quot; thing that is often pooh poohed as being too video gamey and not properly part of a role playing game at all.But in 1e?&nbsp; The paladin character can't do anything.&nbsp; There is nothing he can do to gain that mount.&nbsp; Not until the player intiates that quest, which the paladin doesn't even have to know is specifically a &quot;mount quest&quot;.&nbsp; Anything can be a mount quest.&nbsp; But, it's purely a player thing, initiated by the player with the quest reward pre-determined by the fact that the player chose this particular class.&nbsp; At what point is this not story gaming?&nbsp; The player initiates the story, &quot;I am 5th level, I want a mount.&nbsp; Mr. DM, I'm ready for my mount now, show me the quest&quot;.&nbsp; The DM is obligated to provide that quest.&nbsp; After all, the DM isn't supposed to veto the paladin gaining the mount is he?&nbsp; There's a pretty strong message here that when the paladin gets his mount, the DM is supposed to let him have the mount.Can the player dictate the quest?&nbsp; No, of course not.&nbsp; It's not a story game.&nbsp; That quest is supposed to be created by the DM.&nbsp; But, the point of the matter is that this quest is intiated by the player, not the character.&nbsp; The character can't possibly know when he gains 4th level.&nbsp; How is the character supposed to know when he can get the mount?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Hussar, post: 6422384, member: 22779"] Walk me through this. How does the paladin gain his mount? What does the paladin do to initiate the quest to get the mount? How does the paladin know when he can do so? When my magic user wants a familiar, I cast Find Familiar - that's a character resource. What, specifically, does the paladin do? The mount quest is initiated by the player, the character has nothing to do with it. Heck, it's not unreasonable for a player to ask the DM if he could have a variant mount as well. Certainly not IME anyway. I've seen all sorts of mount variants. In 3e, I'd be able to better buy that it's a character resource - after all, there is no quest and it's a class ability to summon a mount from somewhere else. The whole "pokemount" thing that is often pooh poohed as being too video gamey and not properly part of a role playing game at all. But in 1e? The paladin character can't do anything. There is nothing he can do to gain that mount. Not until the player intiates that quest, which the paladin doesn't even have to know is specifically a "mount quest". Anything can be a mount quest. But, it's purely a player thing, initiated by the player with the quest reward pre-determined by the fact that the player chose this particular class. At what point is this not story gaming? The player initiates the story, "I am 5th level, I want a mount. Mr. DM, I'm ready for my mount now, show me the quest". The DM is obligated to provide that quest. After all, the DM isn't supposed to veto the paladin gaining the mount is he? There's a pretty strong message here that when the paladin gets his mount, the DM is supposed to let him have the mount. Can the player dictate the quest? No, of course not. It's not a story game. That quest is supposed to be created by the DM. But, the point of the matter is that this quest is intiated by the player, not the character. The character can't possibly know when he gains 4th level. How is the character supposed to know when he can get the mount? [/QUOTE]

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